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"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you"

It happend just like I said in the first post. The second post was when I was on the hill looking for my dogs after the wreck. I didn't talk to the guys on horseback. I spotted the guys on horseback from the hill I was on. The first post was just a overview of the whole thing I hope this clears it up for you.

Dryground

I am the horseman that hiked up the hill with you, I shook your hand when I introduced myself.

You have left out or do not want to tell this fine forum all the facts and you can't just pick and choose the facts. when you are saying nasty things I was surprised to learn I was such a prick or have you conjured me into being a prick.

should this keep up they will have to come out. so you can keep your pity party going or you can tell these gentelman what happened. or you can call me.

and again I know how big your guns are cause I hiked and visited with you for a hour an a half and I was not across the canyon yelling I was on your ridge 4' from you trying to rectify a problem

and if you and your daughter would have been there 3 days later that cat would be your daughters

I shook your hand, I know your grip. but I don't care how big they are. you can be a friend or foe and you are leaning at being a foe but you don't have to go to the dark side CN
its not to late to be friend

I really don't care about all the nasty stuff said We just need to redirect the ego



Fred Anderson 775 623 4203

Dryground

I am the horseman that hiked up the hill with you, I shook your hand when I introduced myself.

You have left out or do not want to tell this fine forum all the facts and you can't just pick and choose the facts. when you are saying nasty things I was surprised to learn I was such a prick or have you conjured me into being a prick.

should this keep up they will have to come out. so you can keep your pity party going or you can tell these gentelman what happened. or you can call me.

and again I know how big your guns are cause I hiked and visited with you for a hour an a half and I was not across the canyon yelling I was on your ridge 4' from you trying to rectify a problem

and if you and your daughter would have been there 3 days later that cat would be your daughters

I shook your hand, I know your grip. but I don't care how big they are. you can be a friend or foe and you are leaning at being a foe but you don't have to go to the dark side CN
its not to late to be friend

I really don't care about all the nasty stuff said We just need to redirect the ego



Fred Anderson 775 623 4203

So you guys didn't do what Im saying. Im all rong.

I new if I left out datails you guys would call me on it. So now that we are talking. Yes you did talk to me on the hill. But you didn't no your boss had dumped on my track till I told you. But you still went on looking for the lion. You had no lost dogs at that time so way didn't you pull out? Your boss started this hole thang he is the one I filed the complaint on not you. I left all your guys name out hopeing this can be resolved.

Ok Guys here is the rest of the story!!!!! dry ground did not call me.



This is long and a little different perspective dryground thinks the law is not looking into this but they are. I was going to post this on sunday when I found out about this site but I figured that since there are a bunch of inconsistancys between my story and drygrounds I would see where they lie you decide

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I had been hunting that morning since early at about 7:30 or 8:00 I got a call, saying we had a track to head south and meet at the pass it was a 2.5 hr drive and on the way I had spoke with the master guide, him and the hunter would meet me there.



I was late, 60 miles of dirt provided one flattire and I did not find out till later but when I arrived there were multiple hunters there were no trucks at the release site and I did not find out where the lion crossed until the next day.



This is where the confusion comes in. we were not the ones that found the track. Two guys working for the county had got stuck in ths snow and found the track walking to there grader. as a result it was pretty tracked up, they had explained where it was to the master guide we thought one of the county guys had his dog so when the MG arrived he thought the guy had just looked at it with his dog the MG did not walk down the track to see the bigger picture he verified it was a lion and turned out 4 dogs and they took to it like banshees



once he seen the direction they were headed he went down to a turn that leads into where the dogs went and that is when he dryground aproached on a 4 wheeler, dryground tells him he had already turned out, so the MG apologizes sincerely and they come up with a plan



They find a spot where the dogs have been for a while and decide that the MG and the hunter will walk in to the draw where the dogs are working, unarmed to get his dogs along with dryground and his daughter who has the firearm to shoot the cat. it was there cat.



Once in the canyon it is evident that something is not right there are dogs every where drygrounds old dog goes flying by and in front of it about 100 yards is a doe and the canyon is alive with the sounds of deer chase.



Dryground heads for his dog and the MG and the unarmed hunter go up the middle ridge in hopes of catching dogs, then he will try and line the track back out but it is still drygrounds cat and if it is caught whether his dogs are there or not his daughter will shoot it.



This is when I show up I am horse back and I unknowingly go up the ridge to the south following human tracks. I have 4 dogs that have followed me to the location they now have heard the barks and are packing in to join the rest of the crew on a happy deer fest chase



I eventually catch up with dryground his daughter and another gentleman. He is agitated as he can not catch his dogs and believes they are after deer but it could be ours to. now they have gone out of hearing but in what direction he does not know. he tells me of his complaint with guides and how not only has he been a subguide but while doing so was screwed by his employer as he did not deliver on the money end and I should rethink what I am doing.



What he does not know is I have been doing this since 1986 if a hunter wants to tip me then fine but I have tried a couple of times to take hunters and be paid but I can not portion out 7 days and not have a problem that does not require attention in my own business so the ability to leave at any time has cost me money but it is my choice to work for free.



I just want to hunt I have dogs and will travel.



Then my old dog and a puppy show up and stay with me for the rest of the hike up the hill dry ground is now at a loss cause he knows at least one of his dogs is chasing deer and he can not find the others with his tracker he talks about shooting them and my comment was at least they are hunting something.



I have a puppy that wants nothing to do with hunting period so be glad you only have to redirect There ability.



While trying to figure out what has happened we hike up. I am leading my horses and visiting about an hour later dryground and I split he was for the most part nice he headed south trying to get a signal and I went back into the canyon trying to find the lion track and or other dogs.



If I would have found the lion track and only had his dog I would have started it and kept it going down the track. hoping there barks would pack in more dogs, and the cat would have been drygrounds daughter or his or the other gentleman



there were no radios so I had not spoken with the MG or dryground. once at the bottom I cut the base of the mountain heading north back to the truck and do not see dryground again till that afternoon around 3:30



We meet him on the road and visit again dryground has two of the MG's old dogs, none of his, I have all of my dogs and the MG is out two of his. in the conversation we ask him if we can figure out what has happened he says have at it as his 3 dogs are all out and they may be on the cat or chasing deer but he was invited to come along. I heard this. and we must have visited for 30 minutes



It is agreed that the next morning we are going to unload horses and follow the track from the beginning and figure out what happened. which we did, if we had run into his dogs, we would have picked them up and put them in any race.



The next am there is no coffe cup .tin can or a womenstanding on the 36 hour old track there are 2 adults 2 kids 5 dogs and a spare horse for dryground who did not show up which was left at the trailer incase he did.



We rode the track, we never again seen drygrounds dogs. There was no dead dog along the lions route. there were tracks from that day ( probly morning tracks) when I rode off the hill that afternoon, were at least two dogs in full stride following deer tracks headed out in to the flat. the cat has actually worked two canyons south and is off the west side of the hill one of the kids and myself are moving equipment around and run into dryground and the other gentleman. I again visit with him tell him of the tracks coming off the hill he tells me his dogs are way out east inbetween two smaller sets of hills I asumed he had no more dogs to bring they were all out hunting but I did not ask why he did not show . figured he had his reasons and he said nothing about the dog.



We went from beginning to end on the lion track when we found the track with out any dogs or human tracks on it climbing out of the back of the canyon threw some bluffs, we started five dogs. ended with eight one of the MG's lost dogs joined the race, an we packed in two fresh dogs the next morning



3 days later dozens of bayed locations jumped trees and all the tricks she could produce we finally had one worn out hunter worn out dogs with huge hearts and a dead 100 lb 6 or 7 year old female with canine teeth missing from all the horses she has ate.



The above is the background, the prolog goes like this: dry ground is wrong as far as the investigation goes Nevada fish an Wildlife are looking into this but they move slowly and only from his perspective.



They have not ask him to produce the dead dog. they are not investigating any of the defensive issues that play into our side of this event they have not tried to establish if it was an intentional or accidental turnout. dryground has never called the MG about the dog.



so that's the deal you know our side of the story cause I believe I have been fouled by on the other side,



The bottom line is I hunt I have been hunting a long time does this give me precedence to hunt all the country when and where I want? No it doesn't and I am not asking for it, I have adapted and moved to other areas in a day that were already full with all the new hunters moving in.



We try to work with privateers and welcome them we have tried to get along and have invited many of them to hunt with us. you can't take money with you on the next adventure but all your knowledge goes with you so I have tryed to leave some behind.



We just hunt! when there is a problem cat, that is a tree jumper, no baying dog killer, from all the recreationalist letting them go.( I don't care if they let them go makes a good adventure) then hear we come cause we have dogs and will travel!!!!! does this make me an arragant prick. I rodeod when I was younger, so boys! its not bragging if you can do it. I would be a prick if I wouldn't show people how to do it but my friends and I have helped and invited alot of guys to hunt with us



I do not want to make dryground an enemy . I do not want to embarrass him buy revealing the truth in this event but he shined the flashlight and posted the light on a gripe that was ugly and is 1/256th of a fraction of the truth. Now I am the sun and here is the light of day and really it is not that bad for me when all the facts arrive.



Now there is snow and I am not sitting around dub evans said it best "to be a leader of a pack you can't be tempted by the easy stuff to chase and this applies to the dog or man" so dryground I'm hunting you have my number but I will not be around for a couple of days cause I am hunting!!!!



Fred aka: havedogswilltravel

I dont know dryground but I do know Fred. Fred is a standup tell it the way it is kind a guy. That is why I edited my previous posts.

Cal Bryant
775 741 8216


"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you"

Totally different light shed on this story when you hear it in full detail. No reason to hear rebuttle since the opening statement is the one that started this whole mess. When will people learn these boards are meant for sharing of stories and photos. You have a bitch, deal with it in the field, one on one like a man. You have a question , ask it in hypothetical terms. Coming back and fourth bashing each other, well all I have to say is I am glad everyone has heard Freds side to make their oiwn conclusion.

Im not going to call you at 11:30 PM I will call you. That is a flat out lie. Your word against mine. Why would I lie.

I guide for the master guide and have hunted with him and Fred for several years now. Unfortunately I was running in a different area on this day. The MG and Fred are nothing but stand up ethical guys. I can assure everyone on here that they are not the bad guys dryground portrays them to be. We are out all the time even when there is no client trying to cut a track. It seems to me dryground changed his story even before Fred shed some light on the situation. Instead of coming on here bashing people why not call Fred or the MG and straighten it out.

John

Me and the Master guide finally worked this out.

I have read the post and think this is what these sites are for to inlighten us all on what goes on in others world

Dryground I think you got a rawe deal and Fred is going to say any think to make him look like the good guy . Just my opinon after read bothe sides