Plott houndsmen, I want you!

[WAARHEID]

Just a quick update.

I wanted to thank everyone again for their assistance. The editorial copy has been submitted and approved for publication.

So the Plott feature will be published in the October issue, which will be out the first week of Oct. If you want to purchase the single issue, you can mail a check for $10 to the following address:

Sight & Scent Magazine
5983 County Rd. 6
Independence, MN 55359

They are still accepting ads for this issue for another week or two, so if you have a stud dog or kennel you want to advertise along side the Plott feature you can call them (402) 990-9600 or e-mail tammarie@sightandscent.net.

I do still need more quality pictures - with permission to reprint! So ***Please*** e-mail me your modern and historical Plott pictures (and permission) to matthew@valdiviafamily.org , thanks!

[release]

Dennis,

What is this that your accusing Catch of? I've known and hunted with Catch for years and have not seen or ever suspected him of doing anything illegal or unethical.

If you have proof of your accusations, lets see it. Otherwise you might try keeping your Peter puffer shut.

Do you have a personal problem with Catch, or is there truth to what you are saying?

[houndnhorse]

Catch and Release, that's funny. OOOPS, sorry boys, continue.

[Dennis Fisher]

I've always enjoyed the irony of his two names too houndnhorse.

Which ever name you want to be called by Marshal, one thing I WILL say on this. Obviously you still ain't figured out how to take responsibility for your own actions yet. You've been doing all the "worrying" and talking on this one. Even if I had a accusation(s) against you, why the heck would I bring it up when you've been doing such a darn good job of telling everyone about this stuff all by yourself. It's been enjoyable Catch and Release!!! It's the first time I've ever seen anyone bring up this kinda stuff about theirselves on a International Website.

[Smiley]

Dennis are you denying you have made that accusation against Marshal ?

[Catch]

I've always enjoyed the irony of his two names too houndnhorse.

Which ever name you want to be called by Marshal, one thing I WILL say on this. Obviously you still ain't figured out how to take responsibility for your own actions yet. You've been doing all the "worrying" and talking on this one. Even if I had a accusation(s) against you, why the heck would I bring it up when you've been doing such a darn good job of telling everyone about this stuff all by yourself. It's been enjoyable Catch and Release!!! It's the first time I've ever seen anyone bring up this kinda stuff about theirselves on a International Website.

Sorry Dennis you are wrong again. If release wants to tell you his name he can.
Dude, your just like the government. You talk, talk and talk but never have facts. I worry about nothing or need to take responsibility for something I have not done. You are a fraud trying to beat down the best bear hunter you have ever met. It won't work Dennis, I will always be the best and nothing you can come up with will change that. If my success of breeding great dogs bugs you so much you have to make false statements about me, fire away!

Just a thought, read Plottworld and notice how many dogs that I bred or trained. I get 20 calls a day from people that want to buy those types of dogs. Go read it, don't take my word.

In the next five years with the help of Ultrasounds, X-rays and genetic selection, I will make a dog so superior to anything you have ever seen. You just keep on breeding two hour bear dogs. We will compare in five.

Peace out!

[Catch]

Dennis are you denying you have made that accusation against Marshal ?

Now Smiley, do you really think Big Fish will answer that question?

[larry]

All I've seen so far is Dennis make an accusation and then not say a word about it. I'm pretty sure I would be doing the same responding that this Catch guy is. This is getting stupid, if you're gonna accuse somebody than back it up or keep quiet in the first place. Far as you having the best dogs out there catch, thats something I'd like to see, and if you feel that strongly about it I would be open minded enough and willing to see if there may be something that much better out there. I'll PM you my info and perhaps you can back up what you write.

[Catch]

I said nothing about having the best dogs out there. I said in five years I will be breeding dogs superior to what Dennis has seen.



Larry you are more then welocme to tag along, my treat!

[Dennis Fisher]

A Superior Bear Dog, now your talk'n. But your mentioning of scientific break troughs once again brought back some of "your" memories. I see you mentioned Ultrasounds, X-rays and genetic selection. But what about DNA testing??? I seem to recall a very highly publicized cross you made with 3 different males. Unfortunately Thunder, one of the males and a very good dog, was killed directly after the breeding and was never to be found. You made it to prove which stud crossed with that female would produce better pups quicker than breeding them one at a time. I have to admit, it was a fair sounding theory at the time but definitely had some serious faults. Those pups ought to of just turned two or three. How'd that work out after Thunder was lost? Are they gonna contribute to the Breed and what was your advanced conclusion of each of the males offspring. But most importantly, how many of each male were produced in the litter?

[larry]

My misunderstanding on that one catch. Thanks for getting back to me, look forward to meeting up next week.

[Catch]

Once again you think you know so much. Don't forget the dogs involved were all mine big guy. There was a reason I used only my dogs. The theory was not a theory at all Dennis, it is done every day. What I did proved true on several thoughts of mine and in a few months it will be done again with three more males. The only difference is they will be artificial bred. Now as far as the pups are concerned. They are doing awesome and are in the hands of some serious bear hunters. Will the pups and what was learned be used in future crosses? Well hell yes! Have you ever stopped to think the results was never told because it is a secret and I don't want people to find out what I found??????????????


Please don't tell me this is what you have for evidence on paper fraud. Don't beat around the bush here. If you want to ask the real questions you have, fire away!

[Dennis Fisher]

Good try at avoiding the subject!!! I ask three questions and you didn't answer one of them. Yes, multiple sir breeding's are done by some. But the question remains, are the pups you produced out of that cross a contribution to the Breed??? That's a simple question that all deserve a answer too.

[Catch]

Come on Dennis, ask the question. Why don't you ask the question like this? Hey Catch, how did you register the pups when Liz's papers show zero puppies. Now isn't that the question you really want answered?

Is it possible you have the wrong Dam?

Have you ever been to a magic show? What you hear and see is not what always happens.

In America you are innocent until proven guilty. Please, lay your facts out there on your fraud theory and prove me guilty.

Just remember, it is damn hard to chop down a Oak Tree!

[Dennis Fisher]

Your unwillingness to put forth a truthful answer to what happened with those pups is good enough. I have given you plenty of chances to "set the record straight" about what happened to those pups. But what are others and myself to think and conclude with your continual "Dancing" around the issue besides your trying to hide something. Your answers in themselves have shown to all exactly what your all about and what MAY have happened. That's not a accusation, it's apparent and the obvious. I have tried to avoid this issue from the beginning so most by now have figured out that I don't need nor want a answer from you to any of this kinda stuff you carry. It's your baggage, you carry it. Has I also have said from the beginning of this, at this point in time this issue has no importance to the Breed other than showing what kind of stuff you do. De DeMoss possibly switching papers on Timber was not a issue, nor was even Drum being papered, was not a issue until their offspring became productive to the Breed. Same with this. Has I have said all along, time will tell all.

For those that may not know. UKC allows multi sired litters because sometimes accidental breeding's occur. But because of what it is intended for, accidental breeding's, it is all over the rules allowing it that ALL parents and offspring will have a swab taken and a DNA-P and a DNA-VIP analise done on them ALL. It is done this way to protect the Breeds from "those others in the woodpile" that may not of been known about. This was absolutely not possible after Thunder's loss. It is also well documented in other writings on this that Marshal never got the swab taken before Thunder's death by Marshal himself. This only left him three options after Thunder's death. These are not accusations, they are facts that MAY of happened. One of them definitely did has there's no other options available, and all of you reading this can make up your own minds to which one truly occurred. I could careless about what he did.

(1) He sold a highly publicized litter of registered pups, that several months later was found out to be unregistrable and put the shaft to those that bought them.
(2) He reimbursed those that bought those pups in some manor for not having papers for them. Which means his actions contributed nothing to the Breed, contrary to what he's now bragging about.
(3) He "found" papers for them. Grade dogs contribute nothing to a Breed, only papered dogs do. I have asked the very simple question of if this litter of pups contributed to the Breed twice and have yet to get a answer.

Has I have also said from the beginning, whatever possessed you to bring this subject up about yourself in the first place. I know you and your intention to others well. By your bringing this up and your continually "baiting" me to disclose what I know about anything you may or may not have done in the past, you yourself have given me full authorization to bring this and any other information I may know or suspect you of doing forward to all. From the beginning I have shown no intentions at all and have been very reluctant to bringing any of this or anything else out, has I will continue to do. The way I see it, it solves absolutely nothing except introducing you and your possible actions to others. Your the one that wanted your "Pandora's Box" opened to what you may have done to others and the Breed. Has far has I'm concerned your "Pandora's Box" of actions to others can remain closed because this issue was just lifting the latch on it. Of course, that only my opinion and all can make up their own minds about these types of things.