BILL INTRODUCED TO BAN PURSUIT OF BEAR AND BOBCAT IN CA

[slowandeasy]

IT USED TO BE, NO NEWS IS GOOD NEWS, But in this case I am not quite sure. How about it guys, is there any news yet?

[BOSS HOG]

we won for today, but it looks like the committee Chairman can bring back the bill for a re-vote. not sure why.....

[slowandeasy]

Boss hog,

you know I am not sure how all of that political nonsense works. And I am not hundred percent sure, but I I believe those sorry son of a guns did the same thing with gay marriage in California. They just kept bringing it up for a revote until they got what they wanted. If this is the case. And they are trying to do the same thing with this situation. I hope you have enough money to place advertisements on every local TV station letting the California voters know, just what their politicians believe it is important. When people are out of work and struggling to keep their jobs. And I would name them by name's on every advertisement. Of course this is just my feelings.

And now that you may have bought yourselves a little bit of time. Starting with all of the gun manufacturers, boots and clothing manufacturers, ammunition manufacturers, bow manufacturers, optic manufacturers etc. etc. etc. etc. I'm sure you see were I'm going with this. They all need to know that this is not just about hound hunting. These big companies have the money to help, and the funny thing is they are probably able to write it off as a donation. But nevertheless everyone has to be involved. And it appears that we all have bought ourselves a little time to try and make sure that this snake never rears its ugly head again.

Take care, Willy

[Grzyadms4x4]

Willy makes some good points. I would like to throw another idea out to you. If California banned cougar hunting by voter referendum why couldn't you use all of the new boots that you all have on the ground to gather signatures to put it back on the ballot? What about a voter initiative to protect bear/bobcat/whatever hunting? With a little luck, money, public education and the change that's in the wind you all might win.

Here's an option for tv ads. YOU can buy advertising time at GOOD rates and have your 30 second spot aired on any network you want. Google sucks big time, but here is a program they have to help you buy airtime. https://www.google.com/ads/tv/
If you don't have a good video camera you probably know someone that does have one or at least a good cell phone camera. Make an ad or "Public Service Announcement" about bear hunting or lion hunting and hit the Anti's before they hit back. You know they won before by playing their sappy ass commercials to tug at the heart strings of ignorant people. Well two can play at that game. Educate your neighbours and strangers and save your hunting.

[KLS]

This is great news!
However this will come up next Tuesday for a vote again, I called every member this afternoon and was told that a re vote most likely will happen, they had 2 members that did not vote and one that wasn't there, we need to keep those members from voting next week, no vote is a good as voting no.We have some members that are solidly with us and they seemed quite happy, but when i asked how they voted and they said they voted for the ban i told them that we will keep calling all day every day until this bill is killed most hung up or were not pleased.Hopefully tomorrow we will get a head count how they voted and can start bombarding them again, i was asked that we lay off some members that are on our side seems their getting lot's and lot's of calls and i hate to piss someone off that's on our side and have them flip their vote.There's Blood in the water and we need to really keep the pressure up on those that voted for it or might flip their vote and sink the ship,one more week of the Summer session and one more week for the hsus to grease their palms, the battle isn't over not at all great work everyone we are almost home

[lepcur]

Willy and Grizzlyadams, First off Willy, sorry I didn't give you a call this weekend, I got busy with all this crap making phone calls and what not.
You guys have good points, thanks and I hope we can kick their azzes next time. I gotta say, I was totally impressed by the turnout today, we had the hallways totally full on the 4th floor as well as the cafateria and basement where they had tvs set up because there wasn't enoughr room in the big room. WOW. Please keep it up everyone as I really think we're gaining momentum. The next hearing is in August and is dealing with the money aspect of things, ie will the state lose money by passing this bill and how much, where and why. I think we should really put a whoopin on these nuts at this one.
On a even better note I got to visit with alot of old friends today that I haven't seen in years and made some new friends as well. Thanks everyone for being there today. Mike

KLS, I guess we were typing at the same time.LOL I think we need to really put the pressure on Strickland as he should be in our corner and he did a flip-flop on us. Sick em guys, I mean put it on em.

[Dale T]

SB 1221 Defeated in Committee but Still Alive!

Urge committee members to continue voting no

Despite failing to receive the votes needed to pass out of the Water, Parks and Wildlife Assembly Committee today, the committee chairman says he's bringing
SB 1221 back up for reconsideration for a special "vote only" hearing sometime between tomorrow and July 6.

Therefore, we need everyone to once again call or fax committee members and ask them to vote no. If they already voted no, thank them and urge them to continue voting no. If they voted yes, urge them to change their vote. If they were absent, ask them to vote no.

SB 1221 is bad public policy and according to the California Department of Finance it's passage would cost California over $400,000 in lost revenues and additional expenses.

In addition to costing taxpayers, this bill is bad public policy. It threatens public safety and allows the killing of dogs that "may" be chasing a bobcat or a bear! There is no policy justification for this bill. It is not based on accepted wildlife management principles!

Please call or fax the Committee members below. Thank the legislators who voted no and ask them to vote no again if it comes to another vote. Ask those who voted yes to change their vote to no and urge the assembly member who was absent to vote no.

Jared Huffman, Chairman 916-319-2006 voted yes fax: 916-319-2106

Linda Halderman, Vice Chair 916-319-2029 voted no fax: 916-319-2129

Bill Berryhill District 26 916-319-2026 voted no fax: 916-319-2126

Bob Blumenfield District 40 916-319-2040 voted yes fax: 916-319-2140

Nora Campos District 23 916-319-2023 voted yes fax: 916-319-2123

Paul Fong District 22 916-319-2022 voted yes fax: 916-319-2122

Beth Gaines District 4 916-319-2004 voted no fax: 916-319-2104

Mike Gatto District 43 916-319-2043 did not vote fax: 916-319-2143

Roger Hernandez District 57 916-319-2057 did not vote fax: 916-319-2157

Ben Hueso District 79 916-319-2079 voted yes fax: 916-319-2179

Brian W. Jones District 77 916-319-2077 voted no fax: 916-319-2177

Ricardo Lara District 50 916-319-2050 absent fax: 916-319-2150

Mariko Yamada District 8 916-319-2008 voted yes fax: 916-319-2108

Water, Parks and Wildlife Committee Office
Phone: 916-319-2096 fax: 916-319-2196

[dwalton]

How does your system work in the California legislature? What is the process till it is done one way or the other? Dewey

[Dale T]

hey Dewey

The way it was explained to me was that they can bring it up for a re-vote thru the 6th of July, after that they can still bring it up up thru the 30th of August under a "special sercomestance vote" (not quite sure what that is) then if it doesn't get the 7 out of 13 it is dead.

[dwalton]

Dale: What was the vote yesterday? Dewey

[ferjr]

hey Dewey

The way it was explained to me was that they can bring it up for a re-vote thru the 6th of July, after that they can still bring it up up thru the 30th of August under a "special sercomestance vote" (not quite sure what that is) then if it doesn't get the 7 out of 13 it is dead.

What kind of B.S. is that!!!!! When we got stuck with Obama, we didnt get a re-vote. Not for four years anyway.

If the bill had passed would they have had a re-vote?

[CRA]

Folks, Here is Lieu's and HSUS amendments to SB1221. Look at what Senator Lieu and HSUS is trying to do to California's wildlife management. We have to get this bill killed! With these new amendments hopefully more individuals will get on board and realize how serious this matter is. These amendments will effect alot more than just hound hunters.

Proposed amendments to a separate bill that modifies SB 1221 (Lieu)
SECTION 1. Section 3960.5 is added to the Fish and Game Code to read:
3960.5 (a) Notwithstanding section 3960, a maximum of 3 dogs may be used to pursue bears
or bobcats under a depredation permit lawfully obtained by the department pursuant section
4181 if all of the following additional conditions are met:
(1) The applicant demonstrates in writing that non-lethal and avoidance measures were
taken prior to requesting the depredation permit;
(2) The applicant demonstrates in writing why there is a specific need for the use of dogs
in carrying out the depredation permit;
(3) The depredation permit authorizing the use of dogs:
(A) Is limited to the take of 1 bear or bobcat;
(B) Is valid for a period not to exceed 20 consecutive days;
(C) Specifies the name and address of any dog handler who will be utilized in the
pursuit.
(4) Dog handler must have the permit in possession at all times during pursuit and may
not pursue a bear or bobcat more than one mile off the property where the damage
occurred.
(b) After the taking of any bear, the applicant must submit the skull to the department as
described in the department's Black Bear Management Plan. No bear part may be sold,
purchased or possessed for sale as described in Section 4758.
(c) No depredation permittee may solicit or receive compensation from any person in
exchange for carrying out the terms of the permit.
(d) Permittee must return a report to the department within 30 days of permit issuance
detailing the use of the permit and results of any pursuits including information about
bear or bobcats pursued including those chased and/or harmed but not killed.
SEC 2. Section 3960.6 is added to the Fish and Game Code to read:
3960.6 (a) Notwithstanding section 3960, the department may authorize qualified individuals,
educational institutions, governmental agencies, or nongovernmental organizations to use
dogs to pursue bears or bobcats for the purpose of scientific research, provided that such
research projects are designed to:
(1) Contribute to knowledge of natural wildlife ecosystems.
(2) Follow best practices, minimize disruptions in the lives and movements of bears,
bobcats, and other wildlife, as well as impacts to the habitat while maintaining the
applicant’s objectives.
(3) Directly or indirectly support the sustainability and survival of bear or bobcat
populations and healthy ecosystems.
(4) Not include the intentional injury or killing of any bear or bobcat.
(5) Not include the intentional relocation of any bear or bobcat other than to areas suitable
to them in the state. Any such relocation shall comport with the requirements of section
4190 of the Fish and Game Code.
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(b) Any research project authorized pursuant to subdivision (a) shall be governed by a
memorandum of understanding between the department and the authorized research entity
that addresses the following issues:
(1) Trapping and anesthetizing of the animals, collection of diagnostic samples, attaching
or surgically implanting monitoring or recognition devices or markings, and providing
veterinary care or euthanasia as required for the health, safety, and humane treatment of
the animals.
(2) Qualifications of onsite field supervisors necessary for carrying out authorized
research procedures.
(3) Immediate reporting of any incidental mortality or injury to a bear or bobcat as a result
of authorized research activities. Reports of such incidents shall be made available to the
public upon request.
(4) Filing of annual and final progress reports of research involving pursuit by dogs.
Annual and final progress reports shall be made available to the public upon request.
(c) The department shall notify the public of an authorized bear or bobcat research project at
least 30 days prior to its initiation, and upon request, shall make available to the public copies
of the memorandum of understanding pursuant to subdivision (E)(2).
SEC. 3 Section 3960.7 is added to the Fish and Game Code to read:
3960.7 Notwithstanding section 3960, the pursuit of bears or bobcats by dogs that are
guarding or protecting livestock or crops on property owned, leased or rented by the owner of
the dogs, is not prohibited so long as such dogs are maintained with, and remain in reasonable
proximity to, livestock or crops.
SEC 4. Section 3960.XX is added to the Fish and Game Code to read:
3960.XX Notwithstanding section 3960, the commission, upon a vote of at least 4/5 of the full
commission, may authorize the use of dogs to pursue bears or bobcats only if prior to taking
such action:
(a) The Commission initiates a review of independent peer-reviewed studies, including any
new studies the commission deems necessary, evaluating all of the following factors:
(1) Impacts to bears and bobcats and non-target species, including direct and indirect
impacts to these species and their habitats, mortality and physical injuries, disease
transmission, disruption of natural behaviors including but not limited to separation of
mothers and their young, and stress on individual animals;
(2) Impacts to dogs used to hunt, pursue, or molest bears or bobcats, including impacts
during training for such activities, and the welfare of individual animals during and
after such activities;
(3) Impacts to species listed as protected, threatened, or endangered under state and
federal law; and
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(4) Impacts to the public, including recreational, cultural, and aesthetic interests, private
property owners, animal shelters, public health and safety, and public perception of
such activities.
(b) An evaluation of the environmental impacts pursuant to the California Environmental
Quality Act, Sections 21000-21177 of the Public Resources Code, has been completed;
(c) The commission has confirmed that the use of dogs to hunt, pursue, or molest bears does
not conflict with any other state, federal, or tribal law; and
(d) If after completion and consideration of a – c, and at least 4/5 of the full commission finds
and declares that the impacts and laws reviewed show that no significant harm from dogs
used in the pursuit of bears and bobcats will occur, the commission shall create
regulations for the use of dogs to pursue bears and bobcats under the conditions that such
practice:
(1) Is consistent with the principles of fair chase;
(2) Is appropriately protective of individual dogs against risk of loss, injury or death;
(3) Is adequately protective of target and non-target species; and,
(4) Is consistent with the environmental document prepared pursuant to (b).
SEC. 5. Section 3031.X is added to the Fish and Game Code to read:
3031.X Hound Tag
(a) The commission may develop by regulation a hound tag program.
(b) The hound tag program may require all of the following:
(1) A tag that is worn at all times by the dog and bears a unique identifying number;
(2) Compliance with all relevant local and state laws pertaining to dogs.
(3) Microchipping with a permanently implanted transponder which shall have a unique
identification code;
(4) Documentation of appropriate vaccinations and treatment to prevent rabies and any
other diseases specified by the department;
(5) Requiring dogs lost during hounding pursuits to be reported by their owners within 24
hours of their last sighting;
(6) The recording of the hound tag identification number on the hunting tag of any
animal taken using the services of the dog;
(c) If a tag is created, the commission may adjust the amount of the fees for the hound tag as
necessary, to fully recover, but shall not exceed, all reasonable administrative and
implementation costs of the department and the commission relating to those tags.

[humboldt]

I would like to know how jared huffman considers the amendments to the bill a good compromise? What exactly do sportsmen get out of it besides a required 4-5 vote by the game commission to bring hound hunting back? We already know that 2 of them don't like hound hunting. Why weren't houndsmen given an opportunity to provide some input or consideration when they were writing the amendments? It's pretty obvious that jared is only trying to make the bill more signable for the govenor. Jared is running for congress, I sure hope nobody votes for this piece of trash! He claims that the amendments are to help people in agriculture. It doesn't change anything. There still will be damage occuring before a permit is written. Also you can't persue a bear or bobcat for more than 1 mile, or your breaking the law. Wouln't it be nice if the buisness owners in California could keep invoicing someone or submit job bids over and over until we got the outcome we wanted? That's a bunch of B.S. that they can call for another vote. It would be nice if we could make them sit there and vote until the outcome was in our favor. I think I'll let my hounds out at every jared huffman for congress sign I see and let them piss on it!

[CRA]

The California Politicians have no idea about Public Safety in the Cities or the Wood's!

Public Safety is already in jeopardy in California! Just look at the crime and murder rate since AB109 has been in affect! The City of Stockton alone has had 31 homicides this year! We are only half done with the year. Stockton is just a smaller farming community.

California, right now is experiencing what unmanaged "wildlife" will do and not the 4 legged ones! When I say "wildlife" I mean the ones running around in the cities harming innocent people, women & children! Look what has happened to California's crime rate since AB109 has been in effect. The California Governor, Senators, and Assembly thought it would be wise,humane and save money to send a bunch of violent gangsters and drug mutants out into the streets of California without jobs, skills, education, or the drive to work! They victimize the local communities. Their only skills are stealing and harming others with violence. Do your research on AB109 and you will see the HUGE rise in crime since it's been in effect!

Between AB109 ( The early release of thousands of dangerous felons from state prison early and eliminating their parole ) to SB 1221 (Ban the use of hounds for Bear and Bobcat), Prop 117 ( fully protect the Mountain Lion and give 32 million dollars a year from California's general fund for habitat), Prop 4 ( Ban the use of foot hold traps), SB 1480 ( basically adding more restrictions to Predator Control Work and adding more trapping restrictions. Now with Lieu's amendments). California is a true public safety issue! In the woods or in the concrete jungles!

Top that off with the same idiots doing all they can to see that the true law abiding, tax paying citizens, cant own or carry firearms, but the sagging pants gang banging menus to society has one in their waistband!

California's Political leaders bright idea to save California money and gain back the 16 billion dollars they have blown on social programs is to lay off law enforcement, parole agents and thousands of other city and state workers, and at the same time release thousands upon thousands of dangerous felons way too early on their sentencing! Releasing these unsupervised felons back into your communities, without any type of supervision. Getting youth strung out on their drugs and joining their gangs!

Now California wants to turn our Forest's into the same type of zoo that the cities have become.

In my area we have already had several Bears and Lions come into town this spring. One Bear was actually walking down the streets of a residential neighborhood in town just at dusk. Kids out playing. Californians think Mountain Lions are a public safety issue, just wait until a year after the Bears go unmanaged. Camp sites will be raided! Orchard will be stripped of its fruit! Bee Boxes will be destroyed! The fawn survival rate will drop to an already even lower rate! Bears have no fear of coming into yards or camp sites loaded with people for easy food. Bobcats are just plain hard on game birds and fawns.

The way the California Government is voting with laws like AB109 and SB1221, "We the people" will be prey in the cities and woods. Lets not let them turn our woods into a dangerous place also. Please call the numbers Dale posted above and give them an ear full.

Michigan Hound Hunters, I want to thank you for your support in backing this attack on California's hound hunters freedom.

Sorry folks but this bill should of been killed yesterday. Instead the Assembly Chairman Huffman didn't get the votes so he orders a "Special Vote Only hearing"! What a bunch of BS! Chairman Huffman asked both sides to only present facts. Yet the Assembly knew the facts and voted with emotions! It's just as Assembly Member Berryhill stated only in California can something like this happen.

[blackpaws]

sneaky politics is all it is. they want to vote on this when there is less if any hound doggers there to cause any problems. they will sneak this through in the dark of night. you watch!