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Tony, your buying lunch? Well hell count me in!!! Whats the time and address ill be there. Also while your giving hunts away. I'm a broke ass houndsmen. That follows these mutts at least 23 days a month, all year. So I sure could use a cut, and a rake. And go for a henries deer tag. Or a san Juan elk tag. Thanks buddy.

Whew! You boys are fired up over this one. I don't live in Utah any way of hearing this online? If so, what is the date, airtime and website. I want to see how this pans out.

Tony, bravo! Bravo for yet again displaying a negative image to those passerby's on here. By calling me ignorant, if you mean uninformed about the particular subject in which this post was originated then yes, I am ignorant to the situation, of which I pointing out in my post. You proved yourself to be the true definition of Haughty by being so narrow minded you could not see the point I was making through my post, all you took from my message was more fuel to add to your fire. Let me make this really easy for you to grasp, I was stating that as an "ignorant" uninformed person coming across your post and reading it, you (as a public figure and a representative of an agency) came across as being very disrespectful through your berating threats and insults to a core group of members instead of directing your heated fury to those that personally assailed upon you. So as an out of pocket outsider reading your post, one's first initial thought is that this man is a hot head. Your comment, "My success or failures are not based on you listening." As a radio host on a radio program - your success thrives off of "us" listening.
You state that you've been involved in wildlife management for nearly 15 years, I grew up with wildlife being a huge part of my life, I have a father who worked directly in wildlife management for 30+ years and know several others who work directly in wildlife management. Let me say on behalf of those people representing that agency, you poorly represented yourself as an model image of that agency and they would say that you have no class. Hold a bit of decorum and sophistication in who you are and how you address the public. If you truely are one in position to help wildlife then stop "giving" away free hunts. Line them up with a houndsmen who would be more than happy to take them out for free, there is more excitement in the experience of seeing live game and walking away from the tree than seeing them fall dead on the ground. & Shame on the guide for allowing his hunter to shoot a small female! You keep saying you want to help the wildlife, well than quite talking about it, get off these forums and start doing it! If you once again are so narrow minded that you still did not get the point of my post, then at least before you respost stop directing your insults to a core group of people and think about how you are presenting your image when you address people. I would welcome lunch with you if I felt that you were a genuine person but until you prove otherwise... I leave you with these final words, " Stay Classy Abbot. Stay Classy!"

Cherry Picker

I will only address you and start by saying Abbott is spelled with 2 t's and not 1 like you spelled it. Glad I could correct you.

Also you are LAUGHABLE, not just because of the obvious but because you have now 2 posts under your popped cherry name which tells me and everyone else on this forum that you post under another name usually but chose to post under this name as to try and add some sort of credibility to what you are saying.

That in itself shows the character you have. Yes I am referring to you Mister Cherry and no one else.

And NO, your listening to my program means nothing to it. There are plenty of people out there that listen because they actual KNOW me and what I have done and what I am about. 9+ years now, that is a pretty good record.

And as far as the free hunts go maybe I will give away 2 lion hunts next year and specify them for "FEMALES" only. I am sure just as many people would apply for them as well. In fact maybe I might do a special giveaway that if you shoot a female lion I will throw in another hunt for free. Do you think that will increase the amount of people applying? I think it will. I guess I will have my attorney's look into it.

The lion is not some sacred animal that is near extinction, no it is an animal that just like every other game animal can be hunted and killed within the limits of the laws. And just because you choose not to shoot a female does not make you any better than the people that choose to shoot the bitch's.

So by your comments you obvious know me a bit better then you pretend, but of course the coward that you are will keep you from making your true self known and you will continue to hide behind a computer and a false name.

Cherry lunch is on me and you are welcome in studio on my show anytime. The only question is will you take the offer and will you do so under your real name or this cherry popper name?

I will meet you anytime and anyplace to discuss lions or anything else you would like to discuss. Or you can continue to get your cherry popped here on the Houndsmen site. Whichever you prefer is fine by me.

I represent me, myself and I, nobody else, no organization, no group or nothing. I am me and stand by my words and my opinions and I don't post under false names or hidden names.

I never have and never will hide behind a computer, but you my friend, you always will because a coward is all you are.

Tony Abbott
8018851274

go ahead and use the number cherry, I doubt you will but that is your choice.

tonyabbott wrote:Cherry Picker

Also you are LAUGHABLE, not just because of the obvious but because you have now 2 posts under your popped cherry name which tells me and everyone else on this forum that you post under another name usually but chose to post under this name as to try and add some sort of credibility to what you are saying.

Wow This is good stuff.. Are you looking for a Job. I've never seen a post with Utah guys on it all agree on something before this one.. I actually didn't think it was possible before this.. You have accoplished something that years of moderation has been able to do. So I just want to thank you. I'm enjoying the Conversation.... don't know about everyone else..

Anyways.. about your suggestion.. I also thought this might have been the case, and was checking to see if it was just some chicken shit move..(after all they are Hound guys..) ..To be fair this was long before I read your post..

But Since I checked and since you called him to the carpet.. I feel obligated to let you know and the other guys know that wasn't the Case..

Their are ton of folks just read this site.. I talk to many each and every day.. I'm guessing he was just one of them.. which you got to come out of the shadows and say somthing.

Here was the search..
Other users posting from this IP
No matches found.

I did check another thing.. And Surprize He's actually Utah boy according to his IP address.. No bones about it.

Anywasy.. Carry on... Don't let this small detail get in your way, I'm sure there is still a good Chance he's still a Jerk or a dumbass, or a coward, or prick.. (You get the idea right?) and he should be accordingly Beat shamefully as you are doing a fine job at...

tonyabbott wrote:Cherry Picker

And as far as the free hunts go maybe I will give away 2 lion hunts next year and specify them for "FEMALES" only. I am sure just as many people would apply for them as well. In fact maybe I might do a special giveaway that if you shoot a female lion I will throw in another hunt for free. Do you think that will increase the amount of people applying? I think it will. I guess I will have my attorney's look into it.

Tony Abbott
801 8851274

Wow....
Sure glad I'm not associated with this Tony guy anyone dumb enough to make a remark like that needs to be put in his place a quick !!!!!
This is the reward for killing females.
Maybe it's time the media gets ahold of some photo's to show the general public what dead and starving kittens look like when the mentality of a guy like this feels it is acceptable when he has stated he is willing to specificly target the killing of female lions to prove his point!!!
My guess is his talk show will get some interesting calls from the other side of the room.

Of course he is a Utah boy, and though it might be a unique IP address the individual "Cherrypop" is obviously someone that knew me before this post or knows of me. This is obvious by things he said. So though I appreciate your looking into it, it still does not change the point of him being a coward and hiding or trying to be sneaky.

Hats off to Cherry pop though for being smart enough to use a different computer/IP address as to try and mask his identity.

And thanks for the job offer but I am not looking, but I am glad to help your traffic and participation level on the site so I will continue to help you at NO charge of course, because that is the kind of guy I am.

And as far as the comment of killing only females..... well if you did not sense the sarcasm in it then you need to not post anymore. Get to know me and what I am about and then you would not make such ignorant comments.

In the words of the moderator "CARRY ON", and may I add "my wayward sons, they'll be peace when you are done, lay your weary heads to rest, don't you cry no more". LOL

See ya at the tree

Way to stay classy Mr. Abott with your response.Beware:Usually the arrogant person's perceived self importance is their ultimate downfall. Thank you for informing me that I have 2 user accounts. Since I don't normally frequent this site I must have created 2 accounts forgetting that I had one. I will make sure to delete the extra account. Actually, naw I really could care less. But thanks again carrot top.
Now, I must apologize for reciprocating the ill mannered behavior that has been displayed but it was intended for the sole purpose of figuring out the angle in which your views stand on the topic of Lion population and what exactly your intentions were by coming onto this forum with your post for an offer. Your response just showed your true colors and intent by your statement, "as far as the free hunts go maybe I will give away 2 lion hunts next year and specify them for "FEMALES" only.I might do a special giveaway that if you shoot a female lion I will throw in another hunt for free.The lion is not some sacred animal that is near extinction, no it is an animal that just like every other game animal can be hunted and killed."
By the way, it's Miss Cherry picker to you. I'm not hiding behind a screen name. Cherrytrees is the name of my hound, it sounded like a better user name than Ivanna Beehaydik.
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Your number one fan,
Brenda

Brenda, or whoever you are I don't get baited unlike you who must be bait for scroungy men and one tooth hillbilly's.

You or no one else influence me or my pathetic life that needs a hug or something. ANd though you may not have another user name you definitely were told "because you are probably someones bitch" to come on here and say what you said.

I don't care who you are or who you represent or who's bitch you are, I know that if you want to address your problems with me then come on in studio on the 7th of May and you will have a mic to speak into and say whatever you want.

But I doubt you will, no instead you will continue to make comments on here that have no real relevance to anything that matters. So while you are popping the dogs cherry I hope you know that no matter what you say or how you say it I will still be up front and opinionated and you will still cower behind a screen and pop your dogs cherry.

And as far as figuring out my angle, well you are wrong again, so take your all important life and schedule in the 7th and listen or hear or see for yourself how I handle the program. You will see that again you are wrong in your perception and that your words like some others are hollow.

I still have not made any comments about management of lions and wont do so on this site. No that will start on my radio show this Saturday www.1320kfan.com from 11-1 pm MST in Salt Lake city. Of course you already knew that because you are some local yahoo that has an inferiority complex towards me and what I do so you go about it trying to get under my skin. Well little miss cherry popped when you were 11, it has not worked in the past, is not working now, and wont be working in the future.

I am impervious to you or anything you do or say. Run off to the barn and play with your little wiener dogs ( I mean hound dogs) and have fun in your little neck of Utah.
Either show up Saturday the 7th or shut up. Either is fine with me. But since you have small man syndrome I doubt you will do either.

SO carry on, I am sure you will feel better when you pet one of those wiener dogs of yours.

Jeez, I thought Minnesota, Illinois and Michigan had the market cornered on pricks. Guess I was wrong. (note that only metro areas are included in my biased survey).

Think I will start a poll to see how many people are reading this crap and just shaking their head and laughing.

briarpatch

your a classy individual mr. abott. can't belive that you would talk to a female like that. you have about the worst case of short man syndrome I have ever seen.

who on gods green earth is gona tune into a radio show at 11pm? I don't even think my grand parents were that bored. I'll bet you really have 18000 listeners you'de be lucky to have 18 especially if your as big of a dick on the radio as you are on here. why don't you tell us why exactly we should bow down to you again? sure hope you don't run into one of these fellars your stirrin up on here and get your face rearranged. I'm sure you can back up the crap you talk though oh yea and I'm still waiting for an answer to my question about how you got your count on the lions that was better than the dwr and the men who chase them every day.

Copper wrote:This same thing happens with bear you see a cow will flop over dead for what ever reason a day later a bear shows up to scavenge off the cow and then comes mister cowboy along to blame mr bear for the death of his cow. Are fawns are starving to death and until we figure out we are at capacity, nothing will be done.

I hunted bears last fall with a buddy over the weekends. We rigged and found lion and bear tracks and turned out on the boars and drove away from the sows. This friend has already killed a 19 5/8" or so boar and the hunt was for fun unless we ran into something really nice.

What was most interesting to me was how many dead calves we found throughout September with bears on them. Best I can remember we found eight different dead calves that were all killed by bears. I got the idea that one of the local boars was responsible for the kills then the sows and younger bears would come in for the clean up effort.

A hunting buddy of mine ran down a sow off a dead, fresh calf some years ago for ADC. That calf kill was smoking hot and the bear came back in just like a lion coming back to a kill. That was the only bear killed and proven as a depredation bear throughout the years of the Book Cliffs Bear study. I can remember the study people explaining to the public that just because the bears had fawn deer and calf elk hooves in their scat did not mean they had killed them. Idaho studies clearly showed that black bear were and are a primary killer of elk calves, and the herd studied had lost fro around 61 calves per hundred head of cows to around twenty if I remember correctly. After trapping and removing as many of those bears as possible the calf production rebounded to the original 61 calves per hundred cows ratio. There was a great artical in NRA's American Hunter years ago titled, "The Unknown Predator" that highlighted that study. So black bears alone have a huge impact on fawn deer and elk calf survival........

Another predator study was done in Denali National Park on calf survival on the caribou herds. For some reason that herd was losing half of it's production in the first thirty days ON THE FAWNING GROUNDS. Radio collars with motion devices were installed and grizzly bears were found to the the primary animal responsible for the calf lose. The biologists also stated that wolves stayed away from the calving grounds and hunted moose on the rivers until the young bands grouped and then came through that herd like a chain saw killing calves.

I spoke to a biologist while in Alaska at the fish and game office and he told me that caribou herds numbering 30,000 to 40,000 animals commonly fall to around 10,000 animals because of wolf and grizzly bear predation. He claimed if only one of those predators are working the herd the animals do pretty well; however, in areas where both predators are active the herd crashes and they have to shoot the wolves off those herds or nearly lose them. I guess my point is I ain't buying that habitat crap as I said earlier....

Predators can and do have a tremendous impact on the prey base and studies have documented throughout time. I've done lots of joking about winter kill and and said that more animals fall to the teeth of hungry coyotes than to starvation. A person can blame the weather or the range but coyotes like hot meat and not cold. Have you ever found where a couple coyotes killed a fawn? They stretch it like a couple hounds would a barn cat..........and by the way I quit hunting deer nearly twenty years ago!!!!!

Utah's game population and management seems to be in real good hands not to mention the self appointed gods of public relations.

Sacket,
Its sure funny that all our high density elk units are also our high density bear units .......so its pretty obvious the bear population is not hurting the elk units....studies done by jordan peterson and hal black show that bears have ever little effect on fawn and calf survival.....