cold trail or jump?

[Varminator]

I always felt that a jump,was when the cat stopped walking or trotting and was made to "Run"??
Most cats can't "Run" for 15min., let alone 20min. with a track driving dog or dogs on it!! TMO

[CRA]

I always felt that a jump,was when the cat stopped walking or trotting and was made to "Run"??
Most cats can't "Run" for 15min., let alone 20min. with a track driving dog or dogs on it!! TMO

I agree. I will add that in the desert country with little cover and lots of rims and rockpiles, I have seen many cats squat on a rim and not get on their feet until sometimes the dogs are within approximately 50 yards from them (sometimes even closer). Some jump up like their a$$ is on fire and others just stealthily disappear. Very seldom have the dogs I had run a jumped cat over 10 minutes in this country. Most were more like 5 minutes "Jumped"!

[jcathunter]

Well that definition would definitely sway my percentages. What if a cat does just as the bear did in the video I posted and is running long before the dogs get to it? Do you guys still consider that to be trailing? If that animal heads for rougher country/worse conditions and gets away, does it count as getting beat or would you guys say that the dogs weren't able to get it jumped? It probably sounds like I'm being a wise a$$ and that is not my intention. Each persons definition of what goes on in a race can drastically change a persons perception of what has or is happening due to misunderstanding one another and, on a computer screen, its MUCH easier to misunderstand each other. With the description you guys are giving, I can believe a high 90s catch percentage and I also believe a running style dog, as long as it can locate and tree, will, on average, be better suited to turn in the higher numbers. That being said, I also believe that running dog blood is not needed to get comparable catch percentages. Sure, there are slow dogs out there that coon dog along but there are also dogs out there that can apply the pressure needed on a cat. That, again, brings us back to the original question of which is better, cold trail or jump ability and also opens the can of worms that often pops up about who's starting older tracks/the guys who rig on the west coast only run hot tracks/dry ground/snow/etc.
I guess, at this point, I would be curious as to the started tracks to caught cat percentages and also curious about the number of dogs on the ground for each track such as dogs on the ground to number of cats treed percentages. I understand the "team" method and I know that it works and works well. I just have a different personal preference. Personally, in a perfect world, I want a single dog that I can put on a bad track and have a cat in a tree at the end. I like to hunt one or two dogs and an up and coming prospect and then have a puppy that walks into trees with me. It seems that there are two sides here because I often see on here that many believe that the first couple dogs in a race are doing the work and the rest are chasing butts but others like to run a bunch of dogs.

[merlo_105]

Jcathunter, I consider a jumped cat to be one thats got to run to avoid being eaten. In area's that are dogged to death I do get beat alot if I turn out the whole pack cause the cats are dog smart and get to trotting right away so that would just be trailing or a loose jump. Certain cats I'll start with my tighter mouthed dogs and I'll have good odds of catching that dog smart cat. In the snow the dog smart cats are easy to catch not cause of scent conditions cause there in bed sleeping they jump cause they are about to be pooped out in a day they run dogs got a good jump. Dogs running a tight jump cat shouldnt last more then 15 minutes. Cats in the snow most mine are caught with in 8 minutes. Cats at night take longer cause the dogs cant push as hard and on bare ground at night they last 15-20 minutes.

[southern fox]

I consider anything that's trailed up, and the dogs get to 100% hot frest track to be jumped, something that pulls out when the dogs miss him , with a coupla mins on a miss that to me is a slipping trail, on a cat here its over when that takes place, he licking his feet thinking I will show these sorry plugs here where the truck is .

[merlo_105]

I do not know my percentage never paid attention have been meaning to this year. Not sure of how many tracks I turn out on I know enough I spend a pile of time in the woods. I'm like you Jcat I want dogs that can get it done on there own but at the same time the name of the game is fur in a tree so if I have to have a track dog a tree dog and a start dog to put the most game up you can bet thats what Im going to do. All my dogs have and can catch a easy cat on there own but I wouldnt put up half the cats I do with out one or the other dogs.

[merlo_105]

Back to the original post, cold trail leads to a jump so its probably more important. But with out a jump you wont have caught game. I like a good jump and I like a dog that can keep under a cat to keep it jumped and to push it to a tree.,..

[jcathunter]

Its seems to me as though the biggest factor here is each persons definition of a jumped cat. Aside from that, personal goals and preferences come into play. For me, its less about the number of cats on a stretcher and more about the dog work. I know there are benefits to a silent or quiet trailing dog but, personally, I do not want one simply because I want the dogs to tell the story while they are working just the same as I would not want a babbler because I don't want the story over told. I also understand the benefits to owning a dog for each job when it comes to putting more cats in a tree but, again, my personal preference would be to feed one or two dogs with a 70-80% success rate than to feed 5-10 dogs with a 90-100% success rate. I guess it just boils down to why each hunter is in the woods. I love good dog work and seeing an individual dog shine. That being said,even if I was in it for the money, I also believe something I was told many years ago, "theres more money in dogs, than cats"

[slowandeasy]

"That being said,even if I was in it for the money, I also believe something I was told many years ago, "theres more money in dogs, than cats"

There is no money in dogs nor cats. Try raising a family with either and you will come up with an empty sack.


Take care, Willie

[Trueblue]

Anybody with the name Willie ought to be an authority on having an "empty sack", better listen to him Jcat.

[jcathunter]

Anybody with the name Willie ought to be an authority on having an "empty sack", better listen to him Jcat.

Hahaha, the funny part is that the person I was quoting was Elmer Blankenship. Your class speaks for itself, Willie. Maybe someday I'll be up to your standards. If that day comes, someone please, just shoot me.

[merlo_105]

Again everything goes to a pissing match. There needs to be a Doctor Phil on this site the best thing we got to that is David. And David that's a compliment.

[Trueblue]

Ahh come on Merlo have a sense of humor. This sight would be boring as hell if it didn't have a little heated debate. Other forums have ruled out the possibility of this type of exchange and they are dead, or at least on life support.

[mark]

Thats the spirit trueblue!!! If it werent for the entertainment of this site i would of slit my wrists years ago!

[merlo_105]

Trueblue, You are correct. The heated debates is what helps carry this site and keep people coming back at the same time might push the younger guys away cause they get more B.S. then goods AT times...