Re: BobCat patterns on a Garmin?
Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2018 2:06 am
Andyva; you just taught a college course in hunting with dogs in just 9 words "It's all in what you are willing to feed".
Andyva wrote:Tree dogs that break themselves off of deer by running deer. Based on my experience, which isn't as much as some here, and largely my opinion, there is a reason for that, if you study them closely. Look at their build, and their feet and legs. Then compare that to the look of a good bred running hound. Most of the "naturally broke" dogs I have seen were bowed in the front end like a bulldog, had big flat paddle feet, were extremely large, and sometimes kept too fat. Any one or a combination of these. They quit deer because they can't ever get close enough to them to keep up with them and it hurts too much. They are getting shocked by their poorly put together bodies every time they take a step after the first mile.
Never seen a good built tight footed fast dog that was naturally deer broke, unless it had some cur in it, and those just because they seemed to be more attached to their handler and didn't like to get too far away from their handler, unless it was something they could look at every once in a while, either up a bush or fighting on the ground every once in a while. Most of the curs I have owned or been around were just different, they wanted to tree, catch or fight with something, and if they didn't have any reasonable expectation to do those things they stayed in spitting distance.
Wonder if anyone has ever thought of crossing cur with running dog, like recently? In my opinion , based on a lot of reading and some of that between the lines, that is how a lot of coonhounds came to be. Keep in mind, coon hunting is a recent thing. Every body fox hunted until roads were good enough to run over dogs, and then rural people got mixed together in WW2 and picked up bad habits from those southern boys and started stocking coons and leaving perfectly good fox dens standing instead of cutting them down on the ground where fox could use them.
Here’s one he’s 5/8 hound and 3/8 cur, he’s half clay bred running walker, 1/8 B&T coon hound and 3/8 Yeller cur, he started himself naturally on rabbits then got on red fox and coyotes before I locked him up, I never give him the opportunity to run any but he’s ran deer a time or two but realized that’s not what we’re after after a few times, I can tell if he’s trashing on one because he will not push the track very hard and is easy to call off, I run hogs with him and always put him down in good sign when I was starting him, even given the opportunity he will hardly mess with a deer even with bad company and I’ve never had to shock him off one, never had to whip him either, he’s a pretty intelligent dog and could always tell when I wasn’t pleased with him just by my tone, I placed 3 of his sisters with close friends and they’re all the same way, once they’ve been shown what’s ok to run it’s never a really a big problem again....
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