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And this is the aswer to the question I asked ?
If you want to go over the grey hounds and the rules , and problems with them I'll go down that road, I've have 1st hand knowlege for the last 25 years and 2nd hand for the past 40 back when there were only a few hounds run and almost all grey hounds.
but that's a long road.

RIFLEMAN wrote:I personally do not believe it to be very productive to choose sides between one organization or another; I think that the more alliances us houndsmen can build, the better off we will be.

And you didn't just further enable that division with the remainder of your post? It would have been more constructive to focus on UKC's positive contributions, if any, since 1994. In '94 did any major dog registry forsee that today we'd be in a battle just to continue owning intact dogs?

I haven't said anything negative about any other hound organization in this state and haven't said I wouldn't support any other club. What I did say (and believe) is that I want something bigger, stronger, and wealthier at my back. I never said I believed that "something" to be UKC.....and I don't because at this time it's not. They have yet to evolve into that capacity, if they intend to at all. It just happens to be the venue I enjoy participating in the most and yes, for me it does include dog shows (not just coonhound shows).

I've been involved with UKC coonhound events in the state of CA for almost 20 yrs (and occasional participation in open events as well). Twenty years ago CA wasn't even a blip on UKC's coonhound radar.
I took a trip to two large coonhound events in the midwest and Canada in 2003 and one of the most common questions we got when people found out where we were from was, "There's coons/coonhunting/coonhounds in CA?"
One of my dreams has been to see CA get on UKC's radar in a positive light. After several unsuccessful attempts (due to what seems to be the innate tendencies of houndsmen in this state to never get along), we finally have a small group that can get along and get things done, and we're in a position to fulfill those dreams.
Last year UKC sent Allen Gingerich out to our Walker Sectional. Why did they do that? Because a few years ago they started ranking entry numbers in Nite Hunts, Bench Shows, Field Trials and Water Races for all clubs across the country and a few western states showed up at the top of some of those lists, including CA. We don't pull the numbers that the open events do, nor do we want to. We don't have the management or the facilities to handle that, but are you saying our little club is a negative reflection on the cause just because UKC's rules don't allow unregistered dogs, wyatte? We're not here to stroke our egos for bringing a little outside focus to CA houndsmen, but to be criticized for what we're apparently not doing??!! Give me a break!
I will say yet again, open your eyes and look at the bigger picture --- and that doesn't mean losing your focus on CA when you do that.

Our club is ONLY BEGINNING ITS THIRD YEAR. If we try to do too much too soon, we will fail. Especially now in the midst of this recession.
If you happen to still have a good job and/or money in the bank, be very thankful and donate it where you feel it will benefit most.

My time, money and effort wil go to all of our hunting rights!
Good luck with all of your UKC events and I hope some day they will include the grade dogs.

wyatte wrote:My time, money and effort wil go to all of our hunting rights!
Good luck with all of your UKC events and I hope some day they will include the grade dogs.

Please explain to me how you (and I mean you personally) would write a standard to judge a mixed breed dog in a conformation show?

I believe there is know way that you could, because as you said they are mixed. the only events that we could would be the night hunts and the field trials that would be the events that could be mixed and fair to all entrees.
The current rules for our field trials are set up to make it as fair as possible for all dogs entered.

UKC is all about the "Total Dog" and that includes meeting a breed standard, or at least being the result of 2 registered parents. (You can read about that here: http://www.ukcdogs.com/WebSite.nsf/WebPages/LrnAboutUKC )
The fact that there are a lot of dogs in the performance events that have breed disqualifications, or that papers have been swapped or placed on many dogs is....well....a known fact and there's no purpose in debating it. Especially not here.
But if you own a dog that meets the standard for one of the 7 UKC coonhound breeds, can run and tree a coon by itself, and you can meet the requirements of the UKC chartered club for that breed, then you can single register it with UKC.
Otherwise, hoping UKC will allow mixed breed dogs in their events would be like me expecting to play professional pool but be allowed to use tennis balls instead. If you want to play the game, you need to have the required equipment.
This is the game UKC developed and wrote the rules for. We get 2 choices -- follow those rules or go play somewhere else.
The open events don't in any way reward my dogs for how well they represent the correct look for their breed. That may be of absolutely zero importance to most of the people who go to those events, but it happens to be important to me. Doesn't make either type of event better than the other. It's just different strokes......

But if you own a dog that meets the standard for one of the 7 UKC coonhound breeds, can run and tree a coon by itself, and you can meet the requirements of the UKC chartered club for that breed, then you can single register it with UKC.

If you could educate me a little , does this mean that with out papered parents that you can single register a dog?

Possibly yes --- if the dog meets the UKC and breed club requirements. I've heard that some breed clubs require pedigree information, but each is different. Whatever breed the dog looks like, you would need to contact that UKC chartered breed club to find out when single registration opens and what they require.