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I want the chapter name and/or the name of the OHA presidents that said they don't support houndsmen! P.M. it please!

WOW! 4 pages and we still haven't been sent to the "cage". This has to be some kind of a record. We may be on to something.

GUYS: I going to put my thoughts in. You will never get any where attacking ODFG. They did not make the laws, they have to remain nonpolitical. They are doing the best they can with the laws they have to work with. A vote of the people, the governor, or the legislature can only change the laws. I was active when in the process, in the 70's when most laws on furbearers were made. I have been on Elk review boards and furbearer board.You will need the support of OHA, Trapping Association , the voting public,the ODFG and the state police to change the laws. It will be a long slow process. The first steps have been done by opening this discussion.I recommend taking one issue at time and dealing with it, like the bird nesting law which is clearly unfair. I feel what the ODFW is doing with the cougars is a step in getting then back for hunting with hounds. They need to be able show that removing cougars is a positive thing. The hound men that are doing this work have the best relationship with ODFW , they are the best thing that could happen in getting the cougar back and I see them attacked. They are our go between to ODFG. We need to take one thing at a time, work as a group " all hunters,trappers,fishermen and all outdoor user groups" give up our attack's on any one or group or person. What are we up to, getting laws we can live with or making someone wrong. I will discuss this with anyone on the phone in a positive way. Dewey Walton 5419424376

I called this guy back and he dont rember his name but thats how he interduiced him self. it was the noth caost meeting last year.

dewey, i think you are probably right. the odfw are doing what they can, absolutely nothing!this is all they can do.we need to present our plan in favorable fashion or we will sink. i was thinking of a meeting in a nuteral location on maybe this saturday? or can we do this by phone?

I agree totally Dewey. We have to form an alliance with OHA and its members. I think this should be a priority!!!! I would be shocked to find that a chapter president said publicly that "they don't support houndsmen". If this is true please send me the info. Who was the fella that did the presentation?

I will call that chapter president and ask for minutes from any meeting that pertained houndsmen.

From my understanding he didnt support the lion perposal. There was a biloigist that said the only way we can controll the lion population is with the use of hounds. and he didnt suport the perposal. now i dont know what part of it but from my convesion i felt it was the hound part.I hope its not true we need all the help we can get and if they backed us it would go a long way we need them. OHA oregon steelheader n.w. bow hunters odfw. hopefully together we can make a posative change. it will take all of us. and we need to inform the genral puplic to.

along with OHA who would be a big help, we need to try to get the american cattlemens association and all the other ranchers i cant fully remember what they call them selfs i think it was that but that have alot of say or so i hear. last i heard it cost 1.4 million to get somthing back on the ballot for the voters thats a lot of money.
i read on here that somone had close ties with some tv channel if we can get a commercial even a short one on tv that would help us out greatly i have some great ideas on some that would make houndsmen look like angles LOL

Please plan to attend the convention this year. Let's be on our best behavior. We need to be tolerant of others point of view. The important thing to remember is that we are all houndsmen and that we want our tradition to live. The only hope we have is with each other not with prideful intent.

first off i'm not going weak. dewey has some real valid points. as does u.r.e. we all do. my plan is simple. it has nothing to do with getting our hunting to harvest back. i plan on first getting the nesting law dumped or reduced in length in conjunction with alternative methods of hunting. i did some extensive hazing back in the early day's for black bears from there we were forced out of this as an option. from this point we had no choice but to resort to lethal methods.barrel traps, snares, both foot hold mechanical and blind trail.basically no guidelines for removal. i often joked that if i could figure out how to get a stick of dynamite under a bear and blow it up the state was good with this? this represented an instant radical reduction in the population in bears where i used these methods. when mandated by the state police and odfw.i had no idea how many bears used these wine vineyards until i stopped hazing and started to slaughter them. the first fall i took 10 huge boars in a two mile radius. no sow's, all male's! being a houndsman i was sick of this real quick. it didn't take long to walk away from this activity. what i did learn from this is some non lethal methods work for awile how long? i don't know. i think i was having the best results for ten years of hazing without harvesting. do i have the scientific data to back this claim? no. what i do think is this. if i approach this as an alternative program to solve many of the issues without the lethal harvesting end, we are not the bad guy's.i'm trying to get my foot in the door slowly. i'm in the process of meeting again next week with ron anglin of odfw. i will present my plan to him and along with we as sportsmen are going forward with a plan that win's some hunting back and does not totally restrict odfw ability to kiss the timber companies ass. ( they have no choice) or the oregon voter that twice rejected this method of hunting. i will make it perfectly clear to mr anglin that we as sportsmen are no longer going to be held hostage, when they have nothing to ransom. i really think if i shoot for the moon they will call my bluff. thanks for reading. mike

well, this is and has been my opinion and will not change. first thing is first. if we as houndsmen and women want to go for this, it will not happen unless we quit prostituting ourselves and our dogs out to the state everytime they (need) us. yah, thats right i said (need). untill they need us they could care less about us. bottom line. make them need us so bad that they will have to do something about the ban. thats something to think about. some people just dont get it do they?

My natural feeling is the same as walkersrule,but in studying the laws and revisions of this ban.The ODFW is really at a stand still on what they can do without the voters and the Government permission if you will.We need to gather hard statistics and other states methods[favorable to houndsmen]in order to educate the public that being the most important factor.If you stop anybody in the woods they are all concerned with deer and elk populations due to cougars[WE NEED THEIR HELP].If you run into a mushroom picker,timber surveyer,bicycleist,bird watcher whomever it may be,they are all concerned about their personal safety and private interests.Fact is Mikes idea of just pursueing these big cats is good it can and will reeducate these animals on fearing man and domestic dogs again i.e. public safety.You guys can't imagine how bad I'd love to have the right back to show my 2 boys a long tail or bear in tree,without showing them how to bend the rules and having to look over our shoulders doing it.
Whatever happens I hope for our own sakes,we can stay united enough when we speak to the public without any anoumsity between us.I think we could take some valuable lessons from organizations such as Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation or the national turkey hunters club,they have took and went for what they wanted and got it.
Thanks for the oppurtunity to spill a few of my thoughts,Tim Pittman

heres a question to ask yourselves. what is the differance between a dog in the woods durring nesting season, or a person spring bear hunting, or someone hiking, or a motorbike, or someone shed horn hunting, or even someone that is riding a horse for that matter? arent they disturbing, or could they disturb a bird nesting? in my mind a law is a law and it should be black and white and should also apply to everyone. not just certain individuals.

You can go to OHA's web sight and get the names and numbers of all presidents in every part of Oregon the ones here in eastern Oregon will probably help don't know about the westside.

There is no difference I know guys that have 6 cow dogs running lose the whole time their riding cows and that is OK.

guy's we have beat this topic to death. thanks to each and every one of you. if nothing else come's of this i have spoke to some guy's i haven't seen or talked to in almost three decades.we need to put aside our differences and move forward. staying aligned. i think we did pretty well for having 60 replies. this alone in our own camp is a good start.we have a huge base of hunters in oregon. i have been blown away with all the folks who have contacted me and have had a gut full. the grass roots activism really works.(this is how they beat us) let's use their tactics back at em' we have a plan thanks to all the contributors. if we don't achieve nothing other than them knowing we aren't real happy with things and only rock the boat we have made some ground.but i'm confident we will get something in return. i will report on the meeting in the state building next week. if odfw will talk i will also report on the outcome as well.