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Bearkiller wrote:Larry, unless permits have changed in the last few years, he can't keep it. They all go to a meat locker and fish and game auctions the hides. They have to kill every bear they catch so I understand why he killed it. Its the post humous bloviating that makes no sense.

Well, thats washington state for ya

ya larry that is whashionton state for ya the laws here are why i sold out, and on a nother note we are to kill every bear we catch unless its a sow with cubs this is not for sport its are job. if we had a season i would gladly let the dogs cross with a bear and tree it and walk away but we caint.

Since when is shooting a bear crossing the road, "catching" it. By the laws I don't see how they were required to kill this bear.

yeah, don't paint that picture, nobody is standing next to you making you shoot. Pretty easy to let one go, unless you get paid for kills, then its a different story I guess. You would shoot every bear you saw, any way you could.

Well if i had those permits over there i would gladly shoot every bear i seen, whether it was crossing the road, stealing a picnic basket, in a tree or in a hole. Ryan you don't have to justify anything to anyone. The reason the timber company gets those permits and still use hounds is to KILL bears. And i can guarantee you the CEO of Weyerhauser could give a S@$t less if it fell out of a tree or crossing a clearcut as long as a bear is dead. I see alot of people on here saying they will only kill mature boars or toms, which is trophy hunting, great for you but in reality some sows and female lions also need to be harvested just like doe and cow elk. The management of the species is the most important thing, not what the size was or what kind of tree. So to people pulling the trigger you be happy with what you've done, don't look for approval from anybody and don't be ashamed unless you and only you think it was wrong!

PIGLET wrote:Well if i had those permits over there i would gladly shoot every bear i seen, whether it was crossing the road, stealing a picnic basket, in a tree or in a hole. Ryan you don't have to justify anything to anyone. The reason the timber company gets those permits and still use hounds is to KILL bears. And i can guarantee you the CEO of Weyerhauser could give a S@$t less if it fell out of a tree or crossing a clearcut as long as a bear is dead. I see alot of people on here saying they will only kill mature boars or toms, which is trophy hunting, great for you but in reality some sows and female lions also need to be harvested just like doe and cow elk. The management of the species is the most important thing, not what the size was or what kind of tree. So to people pulling the trigger you be happy with what you've done, don't look for approval from anybody and don't be ashamed unless you and only you think it was wrong!

If you think the harves of bitch lions and sows is "just like does and cow elk", well thats pretty scary. Lions especially cannot even come close to reproducing like deer and elk, c'mon dude. Nobody is questioning wether or not the bear should have been killed or how shitty the state of washington is, those things go without saying. The big controversy seems to be wether it was "caught" or chased.

I will put this in it was not caught when it was shot but it had been caught several times but due to heavy cover the 10 foot shot could not be made with not being able to see the dogs . The dogs did pay a price and did what bear dogs do they put pressure on the bear and stopped him . could they hold him indefinitely nope but no dogs can hold a bear indefinitely not letting it move.
After seeing these dogs with a bear on the ground and what my dog does ( a litter mate ) does with a bear on the ground whether it is a mean one or just a little testy one they will put a fight on and that bear will pay the price for staying on the ground . You could not ask any more of a bear dog than what these dogs give .

larry's dogs could hold a bear indefinetly on the ground, no problem, just ask him. Chased or caught its a nice bear and sometimes you have to make decisions like that. And Piglet is right you have to take animals of both sex, and no he wasnt saying harvest female lions like you would a deer or elk, he was stating that both need to be managed, especially sows (if you're talking about bear). I have been seeing more and more sows with 3 cubs each year. I have a guy I know who saw 16 bears in one mile while hunting. Back on track though, great bear, did the head ever get scored then? Also whats he doing with the hide?

They cannot keep any part of the animal and no no score on the skull .

buckinass, thats funny! Hey that was another very impressive video you posted up , from the looks of it you don't set the bar too high, just because I do doesn't mean i have super dogs.Far as your claims of me telling you all about how my dogs can hold a bear, not sure where that one's comin from, but hey, if you say so! So... I guess I don't really get what yer sayin??? Good luck man!

hahaha thought you'd like that.

larry you must not read what i wright because i stated that if i was not hunting for the timber comp i would not kill every bear that we catch i would gladly take pics and walk away. i do not have to justify my self our any of my hound buddys your a idiot and iam done with all this bullshit like i have said i will take it off here just thought u guys would like it and larry why dont you post some pics you dumb shit talking ass@#$%

Sheesh Ryan, go have some strawberry shortcake and relax! I haven't said anything judgemental about shooting the bear. How exactly did you drag me into that one??? I guess you're just a little too high strung.

Ryan,
ernie and roger got themselves a pig there tell them congrats. and im glad to see last years bad fortune didnt get ernie down and he kept at it. as for the comments from the penut gallery you should know better then to take any of it to heart. youve been doing this stuff long enough. there will always be those guys out there that have to comment about others to make themselves feel important..

and bearkiller im about 99% sure who you are and when you where a kid and a young man over in this country you never seemed to act like this always with a bad comment or neg. remark bout something. remember self promotion never caught no game

ohh well nice bear ]
carl

Thanks for posting the pics guys. That really is a nice bear. When bear hunting with hounds we all know that some bears just won't climb a tree, no matter how many or how good your dogs are. With a mean bear that decides to stay on the ground like that and fight, and with gritty dogs that pull hair you'll just end up with hurt dogs. It happened to me this spring, it's happened more than once over the years.

For the fair chase question: I know a family that just moved to this part of the country and claim to hunt three different states for bear every year. Between all of the family hunting their pack of dogs they say they can tree 90 bear a year on a good year. Whether it's true I don't know know but I figure it could be done since I treed 40 bear last year myself and I work full time, minus vacations days. These guys say that they will not kill a bear if it's treed, as they feel it's unsportsman like. They will only kill a bear if it's bayed on the ground or running ahead of the dogs. I say - to each his own. We all have different ideas. If your going to kill a bear, does it really matter how? Within the constraints of the law of course. It's a dead bear right? That is just my thoughts.