There is no snort to it!!!!

[Doogie]

[George Streepy]

Mackdog,

I notice you said "if you want snares and conibear traps outlawed, your tracking system should be outlawed," more than once and it made absolutely no sense either time. Probably the dumbest point you could make. Again, no one wants to see trapping banned, I came from a family of trappers who were screwed over by the uneducated voters of this state.

It doesn't bother me if a dog gets into a snare that relaxes and doesn't choke the dog out. It doesn't bother me if a dog steps into a leg hold. It isn't great but we share the woods. But if some dumb ass thinks it is better to use conibear on dry ground to catch cats or coyotes then maybe he should learn how to trap. I am certainly not the greatest trapper in the world but I can catch cats and coyotes with leg holds. We share the woods. I don't know what type of dogs you or Steve Mathes have, but my dogs run through the woods. Get off your "We all must stand together" soap box and think about it.

Laws written to stop the use of conibears on dry ground were written by the Game Dept with the help and insight of trappers. The ban of leg hold traps and the use of hounds in my state was done with initiatives (uneducated voters). Another piss poor comparison on your part.

[George Streepy]

Twist,

I blame you for bringing out the illiterate hot heads that can only read and retain the negative parts of a post.

I will check in on this topic from time to time, but I think I am done making the same point over and over again.

I support ethical Trappers!!!!!!!

Good night all,
George

[live to hunt]

Native you are missing the point hunting without snow is dry ground hunting. I donot need a lesson on coons habits thank you. It sounds like you are more about the catch as long as it is easy! (Its easy for the dogs, Its easy for me) You sir are not going to make a bobcat hunter it is not easy!

Twist Who are you trying to fool if you could go out and "jump" a bobcat to run you would do it every chance you had.I am sure you still have one of them plott/walker cross that will catch one?

[kehrer10]

Live to hunt,
Before you start running your mouth about people you don't know just stop. Montananative and I hiked our asses off yesterday looking for cat tracks, yes thats right out of the truck 10 miles up and down all over the country to try and find our dogs a track to run. He never claimed it was easy or wanted it to be easy. Plus you didn't see montananative post on here bitching about trapping even though his dog got caught in a trap yesterday and my dog almost got trapped. Everyone needs to stop being so negative, and start acting like grown ass men!

[Ryan]

Mackdog,

"It doesn't bother me if a dog gets into a snare that relaxes and doesn't choke the dog out. It doesn't bother me if a dog steps into a leg hold. It isn't great but we share the woods. But if some dumb ass thinks it is better to use conibear on dry ground to catch cats or coyotes then maybe he should learn how to trap. I am certainly not the greatest trapper in the world but I can catch cats and coyotes with leg holds. We share the woods. I don't know what type of dogs you or Steve Mathes have, but my dogs run through the woods. Get off your "We all must stand together" soap box and think about it."

AMEN George

I trap but i dont think killing type snares and conbibears should be legal. They arent in my state. My tracking system wont kill anything indiscriminately, that argument is strange. Maybe we should make trappers liable for damages of anything they they kill in a snare or conibear? If my dog kills something you own I am liable. I bet shelling out five or six grand for someones best cull would even change some of the trappers minds.

[Nolte]

Ryan,

I am with you. In WI you can use a conibear but once it gets to a certain size, it either needs to be in the water, elevated, or recessed and enclosed. Snares need to have a stop so they can't cinch down. I think these type of regs cut down the chance of catching a dog by a lot. Course our trappers don't seem to do as much dry ground work as water. At least around here.

[montananative]

Native you are missing the point hunting without snow is dry ground hunting. I donot need a lesson on coons habits thank you. It sounds like you are more about the catch as long as it is easy! (Its easy for the dogs, Its easy for me) You sir are not going to make a bobcat hunter it is not easy!

Twist Who are you trying to fool if you could go out and "jump" a bobcat to run you would do it every chance you had.I am sure you still have one of them plott/walker cross that will catch one?

live to hunt, your reading between the lines. i never once said bobcat hunting was easy, i never said i like it easy. "its easy for the dogs, easy for me" no where does it say "and i like it that way." what i said in a nut shell is coon hunting is a GOD DAMN cake walk compared to anything ive ever done to try and get a bobcat caught. I want nothing more than to tree one, and have worked my ass off this year. We buzz roads, and if that doesnt pan out i put my pack on and start walking.

im done defending myself, because i honestly couldnt give two shits of what you think of me from behind your computer screen. i invite you to come hunt with me, deer, elk, cats, whatever you want and see just how "easy" we take it.

[twist]

I am with you on your last post george. live to hut, you are sure correct I would sure jump a cat and run as much as I could but that by no meens is what I would call dry grounding in this area my farm dog could tree cats like that. Andy

[Mackdog]

So it is my understanding that houndsmen should have the right to dictate trapping regulations to suit their interest of hunting with hounds. For example, someone doesn't like snares or conibears because they will catch their dogs and are indiscriminatory. Therefore, if trapping was regulated more, they would have an easier time of hunting with their dogs and have more game to hunt.

Conibears and snares are tools of trapping no different than a tracking system and hounds tools of hound hunting. Hound hunters want trapping regulated to suit their interests of having dog friendly trap sets and have more game to run. Trappers want hounds and hound hunters to not disturb their sets and they want more game to trap. Regulating tracking systems would make it more difficult to find and harvest treed quarry resulting in more game for trappers. My point being, if trapping gets regulated for the interests of hound hunters why shouldn't hound hunting be regulated for the interests of trappers?

Trapping and hunting regulations should be based on ecology. If game population numbers go down, a quota/permit system should be established or seasons altered. Is it fair to regulate trapping for the purpose of increasing game numbers and conforming to the interests of hound hunters?

There should be equal rights to the land and its resources. Be it trapping, hunting, ranching, hiking ect. Ryan's idea of equal liability would be a solution to the problem without imposing more regulations. If a trapper has an area that no one hound hunts in, he can use whatever trap set he wants to. Just because a trapper can catch game in leg holds doesn't mean leg holds are more effecient or effective. In areas that have conflict of interest the trapper would be more obligated to use dog friendly traps or be held liable for damages.

[Ryan]

Mackdog, I can only speak for myself but I am not trying to handicap the trappers. I just got back from checking my sets. Just keep my hounds safe. Is there a big disadvantage to a relaxing snare? I have never used either type. I don't agree on the tracking system theory, they don't hurt anyone. You are correct that less game would be killed without them though. I take my bird dog and my hounds out of a few traps a year, unharmed. It doesn't bother me. I understand we are sharing the earth, if the traps were killing my dogs the guy who set them would be in for a bad day.