BILL INTRODUCED TO BAN PURSUIT OF BEAR AND BOBCAT IN CA

[outlaw13]

i know numerous people who won't mark that they used dogs when they take a bear due to the fact they don't want the harrassment from a game warden about who took them out and the million questions that would follow trying to pin some pittly ass bullshit on a houndsmen. I would place a safe bet that 80% of bears taken have hounds involved. the numbers they have been pushing have been fukered from the get go. everything that happened was warped, all the numbers, lies, having anythings best interest in mind. It was about money. people got paid. it was wrong and is wrong. fish and game has not done any thing for the state in a long time overharvesting deer mismanagement of every big game species. they are retarded. It all boils down to money and who is getting paid. i guarantee you those fish and game comissioners they have now are getting paid on the side. Governers crooked ass is getting money in his pocket for signing 1221 and donations to his campaign. The dumbass clueless senator who authored the bill probably got enough to buy a new car for sitting in the HSUS's pocket. It is flat wrong but i don't know what anyone or group is going to do to change things.

It still rubs my ass when everyone over a year ago was saying dont rock the boat cuz the HSUS will put it on a ballot to end hound hunting. We should have been fighting for gps and mt.lion season back 5 years ago and suing someones ass for not giving it to us then. Screw not rocking the boat we should have been trying to take anything and everything at any opportunity we could have. We have all witnessed what has happened when when you sit back and wait around to have your livliehood taken from you.

[DirtAddict]

I agree that a lot more bears are harvested with hounds than what is reported. I also think that when bears aren't run with hounds, there's going to be a lot more problems with human/bear interactions.

Here's the rub though...even though Senator Lieu stated that it was an inhumane and ineffective practice, he (and everyone else who voted with him) thinks it's quite all right for the government to hunt bears using hounds as long as they deem the bear a "problem". Seems to me that if it's wrong for private citizens to do it, it should be wrong for the government to do it.

Regardless, the State of CA now holds the exclusive right to control bear populations and problem bears with the use of hounds, at taxpayer expense. To be crystal clear...hound hunting will not go away. It will just be done by houndsmen who are paid by the State. If the population goes up, so will the number of houndsmen collecting a govt. paycheck.

It's really about control. The politicians could care less about hunters. To them, we are not a significant voting block in this State, and don't wield enough economics clout. HSUS and their minions are in control, and they have decided that hunting is not to be allowed. So, the politicians do their bidding. This is one of the first steps in banning all hunting (HSUS has said it themselves on record).

I wonder if it would be too much to ask those that hunt with hounds across the state (as well as out of state), to boycott California and NOT help the State when they call asking for help. Unions strike all the time. We need to stick together and strike as well. When the bear problem gets out of control, we should remind all those politicians who voted for SB1221, and the people that voted for them, that the increase in attacks and property damage is their fault. Maybe then we might see oppressive laws like these reversed.

[bearpaw992000]

I hope that no houndsmen will even think about doing this F@@@@@ up state a favor and running a problem bear and I hope no houndsmen will buy a bear tag next year. let this state drown in there own SH@@.

[ringo8585]

Not running bears for the state is a great idea but in reality there is always going to be a chicken shit or two that will and they should be prosecuted I’m down with telling the state to pound sand if they come calling. What we need to do is start filling law suits against the state for deformation of character. Also for an unconstitutional law, yes there is no law stating we can run hounds in the constitution but there is the pursuit of happiness and they took mine. Anybody no any good lawyers have them call me ill file the first one!!!!!

[Dale T]

We will need to police our selves and kick any houndsmen that works on deperdation in the head because the only way we will ever get any hound hunting back is for the bear population to do what we all know it will and explode, there isn't a week that somewhere in Ca. there isn't a bear problem now, last weekend in the Grass Valley Union the front page had bears on it with a story about how a afmily have had bear damage all summer long, last week it was down town Chico where they chased a bear into a womens garage where they darted it and relocated it, once we are out of the picture FISH AND GAME has already said it will be chaos.

[fallriverwalker1]

come on dale you already kn0w the ones that will be helping the fish cops they already are I wont mention names just look and see was doing lion studys and who had thrir hounds doing the deed for them it eill be no diffrent when it comes to bears

[bearpaw992000]

Right On, I feel the same way they took away from me the pursuit of happiness. And I agree, I wish CHC would start a fund and collect $10 or $20 from every one and find a lawyer that can find a way to file a law suit to stop this bill.

Not running bears for the state is a great idea but in reality there is always going to be a chicken shit or two that will and they should be prosecuted I’m down with telling the state to pound sand if they come calling. What we need to do is start filling law suits against the state for deformation of character. Also for an unconstitutional law, yes there is no law stating we can run hounds in the constitution but there is the pursuit of happiness and they took mine. Anybody no any good lawyers have them call me ill file the first one!!!!!

[Tim Lockwood]

Doesn't CHC already have $330,000 in their account that they can hire some attorneys with? I was told they didn't want to use the money in case we beat the bill and had to fight this on the ballot in the near future. I don't know if this is true or not but I sure wish we didn't lose this war with bullets still in our gun.

[ringo8585]

We don’t need CHC to hire a lawyer, there are plenty of us to do so. Yes, it would be nice to see our dues go towards that, but there are 5700 of us. If we all donated $100.00 dollars to a fund and called and hounded Ducks unlimited, Duck commander, NRA, all the big hunting corporations and gun makers to donate, even Toyota, how many hunters do you know that have a Toyota? They would be dumb not to support us. Also, we sat back and waited on CHC to fight this battle for us the whole time and it didn’t do us any good. I’m not saying they didn’t do their best; it just wasn’t enough sitting back being respectful and not causing an uproar only works when dealing with intelligent respectful people, which we all know is not what’s in our state capital. When we do hire a lawyer, he is going to need facts. Unfortunately, that’s what lost this fight for us, in my opinion. They have a 20% harvest number because that’s what we gave them on tags because nobody wanted to deal with all the BS when stating they used dogs when in all reality it’s more like 90%!!!!!! So if I can urge one thing this season it is to ensure proper documentation, FILL THE TAGS OUT PROPERLY, if you hunt with dogs, state that you hunt with dogs. Hell, state that you hunt with dogs even if you don’t. Documentation is the only leg we have to stand on in this absurd battle which is obviously based on emotion and not FACTS.

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[Tim Lockwood]

What about CEQA? Can we not get this reversed since it was NOT based on scientific research?

[Dale T]

Also, we sat back and waited on CHC to fight this battle for us the whole time and it didn’t do us any good. I’m not saying they didn’t do their best; it just wasn’t enough sitting back being respectful and not causing an uproar only works when dealing with intelligent respectful people, which we all know is not what’s in our state capital

I wasn't even a CHC member when this thing hit the radar, but once it did I joined for life and my wife and I were at the capital over a dozen times though the entire thing, sitting down with every member of both the assembly and the senate that we could and calling every office that was envolved at every step, my wife even met with Governer Browns head of staff after making over 40 requests to get a meeting with her and was told the reason the governor was looking to sign it was because we would stand a better chance to make changes to the law if he signed it, but if he vetoed it and it we lost it on a ballot in two years it would be impossible to get any of it back just like prop 117 the Mountain Lion propisition, the thing is that CHC was all over this and maybe if so many of you that "SAT BACK AND WAITED FOR CHC TO FIGHT THIS BATTLE FOR US" as you say you did would have gotten involved and did everything you could have possibly could have stopped it some where along the way, we only lost this by a few votes at every step.

[meagain]

On a different note: arizona had a senate bill SB1070 that was brought to the supreme court due to possibly being " Against the constitution and in harmony with civil rights". or something like that. now my simple brain tells me that if I am unable to legally pursue Bears and Bobcats but another person can by being employed by the government. then that is a direct invasion of my constitutional rights.
When we were at the Water, Parks and Wildlife hearing (the one with 4 votes) one of the assembly members was telling that shark finning senator that he was violating our constitutional rights by writing laws to dispatch our personal property (dogs). Also if i am not mistaken the bill was changed to incorporate a micro chipping and use permit to use dogs to pursue any mammal. i have not read the bill as it was signed by Brown.
I believe a mandatory microchipping program is the best bet to tie this thing up in supreme court for a long time! that VIOLATES MY CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS! they are telling me to inject my personal property with a system in which they can monitor my property at all times.
like i said I have a simple brain
just my .02 cents
Is CHC looking into any options or talking to attorneys?

[ringo8585]

First off I wasn’t pointing any blame and I also only joined when I found out about this thing and I also met with her head of staff and I have two broken legs and never missed one capitol hearing not one I also called all day and emailed so get off your high horse this is going to need to be a team effort, imp saying we all need to get involved not just wait on chc.. I left my number so people would call before making ignorant quotes.

[ringo8585]

TIm i believe we can fight with that

[mark miller]

The fight was set up from the start they had it in there pocket but we showed them and I do believe if we stick together we can get something positive done. The USA will be going through some real hard times and in those times are where the use of dogs shine because dogs of all types of hunting help feed our families. When it comes to obeying the law or putting meat on the table we all now where this dumb ass law stands. We just need to stay united and be prepared to do what it takes to get something done when people way smarter than I come calling with the answers that we are looking for. I do believe there are many out there that feel like I do, that we were way to nice, the 99% idiots tear shit up burn it down and get on the news and scare the hell out of politicians. We on the other hand said please and thank you,held the door then got it slammed in are face.We need to learn from this, stay together and keep fighting and hunting are dogs, the politicians are making use outlaws, not by are choice. Never forget the real enemy BIG GOVERNMENT