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Merlo, so you trained all these dogs seperately from pups. Only packing them up once every dog was finished enought to catch their own cat? You mentioned training 5 dogs like this, 4 blue dogs and a walkercross. Which was an ace of a dog until it developed gunshyness, and had to be culled. Then you go on to say Hounds men throw young dogs in behind a trainer and hope for the best?

I for one am not buying it, I know a few hound men that might make it look that easy, but truth be know that pup has been trained on alot before it got its chance to run with old trusty. I am not calling you a liar, It just reads like you have left alot out to make your point on here. John.

Dewey,
I understand and I see our difference in the way we choose to hunt. Nothing wrong with either of it as long as we enjoy it....

Daniel,
I understand and get what Dewey is talking about.. I got Bird dogs that will find just the same amount as the other but there styles are from being the same one hunts big one hunts small but is a speed demon on Crack... I hunt with a guy who only runs running dogs thats what I started on but I noticed with my blueticks they run right next to them running dogs in nasty country and right past them sometimes... I dont have a breed preference honestly I would have gotten me some running dogs if I could have found some decent ones but I didnt so I got what I got and they do awesome the style is different but they sure the hell can smoke a track and get it in a tree quik

What do you think?

Poll:.......... Do you think Merlo could be

1-Buddy
2-Dads Dogboy
3-Cobalt
4-other

Ha Ha fooled ya it was me!!!!!


Take care, Willie

I was thinking maybe SYMPOSIUMS might be in the future?????


Take care, Willie

My first student will graduate from the pound.

Take care, Willie

So Merlo is Willie or Willie is Merlo? That cant be, the two of you look nothing alike.

Atleast, what I had imagined anyway.

John,

With the amount of chit being slung on this one. I figured I would just add alittle confusion to it. Truth be known I have my hands full just being Willie . So, real make believe or what ever. I say keep running with it. It has been amusing to say the least. I find out more and more on here how screwed up I have been all my life.


Take care, Willie

Warner5,
Im not understanding you all that well, I have worked with five hounds, First was a redbone, then had a walker, now I have 3 blue ticks, Walker was given away as a pet and my ex has the redbone... I got my first blue dog at 10 weeks or so, the other two were right at a year and alittle older both them been hunted on coon. I started working them on tracking in a catly manner while using bobcats and grawes scents. Dogs were hunted on there own cats when they started catching cat I would put them together... Pretty simple and aint that tuff to see what was done if you still wanna say im holding things back or lieing thats fine. This is a internet site kinda hard to read and believe everything but if I was gonna lie I sure would have made a sweeter kick ass story lol

Merlo, for the next 15 to 20 years dedicate you life to better hounds. Then come back, reread your opening post. You will then understand. John.

I just have to say merlo stop well you are ahead on this post as there are a few on here that have been around for awhile. Sometime when you are new to thngs its best to set and listen rather than talk. Once you get a few years under your belt then maybe give some insight but for now I would stick to asking questions.This is not a sport that is mastered over night its one that I believe can not be mastered. Keep your dogs in the woods and again not ment to offend you just to help you. Andy

Warner5, Ok your a old timer I assume. The guys I hunt with are all old timers and have been hunting with hounds sence they were children. So I have listend to it all, but the run of the mill pack that I have trained and worked with day after day catch cat doesnt matter how long I have been doing it. Guy I hunt with cant believe it either but he is the one who is calling me to go hunt now.

Twist, Never ment to get ahead or behind. I have been training dogs for a very long time. So I can pick up on some things maybe faster then someone else who has had dogs for the same amount of time or longer... A dog is a dog they can all be trained.. You dont hire a different trainer to train your lab from your poodle... You can teach a dog anything and all I was doing is fine tuning there weak points if you have a hound that has the drive to hunt with all weak spots cured then there is no reason it shouldnt do good, not amazing but good. I never claimed to have the best dogs in the world. But each one of my dogs catches cat on its own on a regular basis. I understand where you say sit and listen and I agree with that at times... But right now Im just trying to get stuff squared away... I read all your guys post and alot of you seem like your doing good in the name of the game. And alot seem to be better or more know then others... I just jumped a few chapters and the old timers arent gonna like it I have a old timer I hunt with and he is the one I started hunting with who got me in to it all. And he dont believe it that I took a couple dogs and caught cat.. I know the storys of speacial dogs and so on.. Dont think mine are special think mine are well trained... There all bred for the same thing... Some are bred better... I might have got lucky with the dogs Idk Im still just a rookie with only a couple seasons under my belt

Your statement you can teach a dog anything is one that is truely false I don't care how much one thinks he knows about dogs that is not true. First off the dog hs to have the trait breed into them and also the dog has to be trainable. In that case one dog could be used succesfully for everything and all pups should turn out. Again just stop and think about what you have said. Also if the old timer is calling you depending on you and your dogs that makes me wonder how prosperous he has been. No doubt you have done a few right things in training but all dogs are not created equal as are humans. Andy

Twist, I cant agree more people and dogs arent created equal some dogs got it some dogs dont same goes to people... Ok teach them anything is alittle broad figured people would get what I was saying... Aint like im saying a person could take a pudel and get it tracking and tree'ing.. I have never seen a dog that wasnt trainable, I have seen people that cant train certain dogs... And im not saying all dogs are gonna be good hunters and all the pups are gonna be good. It just doesnt work like that but if you took a hound that has hunt in him and work him right he will hunt I think he might hunt better and learn faster by teaching him things before you turn him out with other dogs. He is already gonna know that scent and know what he needs to do. The guy I hunt with has some pretty decent dogs he catches cat with thim. He has been successful threw out his career. He just finds it odd that im running Blueticks in a running dogs game in running dog country and Im having success. We take turns dumping our dogs out sometimes if its slow we dump both sides of the box.. I just believe a trained dog has better chances of being a good dog rather then them just getting tossed in. Dog aint learning anything if it doesnt go on a race thats time and time again your bringing them with you and there not doing anything could have been training so at least it would have a chance to make the first race... The main thing I was getting at when I started this thread is Alot of people cull dogs that could have been pretty dang decent in the right hands. And it doesnt take running dogs to catch cat and speed aint a overly huge thing a person must have to catch cat in the thick brush. Yes a dog must push a track fast but doesnt have to be a race horse.. I think alot more hounds could do a good job if given the chance.. There bred to track and tree so fine tune them things its like a engine that doesnt run you got to have some one there to put the gas in it and start it up.. This is getting long... I agree with alot you have to say and I dont think Im better or my dogs are better then anyone's...Im always looking for tips and trying to learn...

mondomuttruner wrote:Quote:
but my dogs handle and they track like pro's and locate like champs and not one of them is Two years old.
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Well as soon as I started getting into Hounds all I heard was you need Tree'ing Walkers or Running dogs or a cross. Well I had to be the different One and I got me a Redbone out of some Alright coon dog lines nothing to special..
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Well after that I got me a Bluetick female from Nora Constance (Cook) and what a fantastic dog she is... I went about the same way with training her as I did the Redbone. I got the same outcome a real fine hound.. I moved to West Virginia and brought the Bluetick with me she was only 8 months old when I got there.
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People around that area dont believe Bobcats can be caught well they can. So I moved back to the PNW with three Blueticks that have caught Cats on the east coast..


Congrats on a job well done. Taking 4 young dogs and turning them into cat hounds, moving from coast to coast(twice) and all in a bit over a 1 year period...wow!!

I was actually being sarcastic. Like Warner said, I think there is something being left out timeline wise. Between all the other things going on in your life (moving), you turned these dogs into "pros" in a one year period of time. Think about that, train each dog separately into a "pro" in one year. In order for your dogs to pursue prey, you yourself has to know your prey and I don't believe that can be done in a year. You don't train a dog to stay on a ducking and dodging cat just like you don't train a dog to stay on a mean bear. You don't train a dog to locate and you don't train a dog to run a cat on a covered track. Unless you have the breeding like a few of you guys have, your going to go through a lot of dogs before you find one with these traits. Now, you may have been the luckiest man on earth to randomly find 4 dogs with these traits for a newbe houndsman but to train them all separately in one year..I don't buy it.

Maybe you don't work, hunt 24/7,Maybe???

Merlo, if your legit, sorry I stuck my foot in my mouth but to me, it don't add up.

Maybe the problem is me. I may be a worthless trainer because I've been doing this a long time and I have trouble keeping 4 dogs "that I like" catching cats. Hell, I'm going to knock that down to 3 dogs that I like......