Running dogs locating

[perk]

Merlo I have ran in the mountains of Va, but where it is paper company land so it's thick pines and brairs, because that's where behave permission, I generally drive 100 miles one way at least to go looking for a cat population, I'm gonna go east not west.
On another post about fox hunting a gentleman on here, who hunts natl forest said the grey Fox will hole up after 20 mins, at night, and that's with 1 or 2 dogs, because the timber is mature the Fox must seek refuge that isn't happening in other parts of the state.
I'm a Fox Hunter who dabbles in cats, think the reason the east coast is a running dog thing is because tradition, and not needing a lot of tree power, we ran 2 today neither chose to climb, dog don't need to locate if he isnt climbing, and seems most east coast cats in the thick chose to take it on the ground, don't know why

[Dan Edwards]

I want half!!!!!!

I heard that budro.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-lqz-Fp0r4

[scrubrunner]

My running dogs don't locate at all or haven't yet.
Ran a grey fox for 6 hours in a thick place a few nights ago. It beat the hair off of them and they couldn't open their eyes next day. The alpha showed the hounds averaged 6 mph. Perk does yours show about the same in bad places in the daylight?

[perk]

Scrubb, im too poor to afford Garmin, and my beep beeps don't tell speed, heck as rare as it is for me to actually use my box they may not even work to find a dog.
However a close friend of mine who runs in the Fox pen, often has his dogs avg 9-10+ mph for night, however running down thoae paths the game runs is not as slow as when they are breaking their own paths.
Another buddy I Fox hunt with says his averages round your numbers in the daylight .
One day I may be rich enough to get the alpha, but by then it will be outdated
Glad you had some good running

[Andyva]

I be that man you referred to as a gentleman, Perk. I took these "fox dogs" a little south and east and run them until their eyes scabbed over the other night. Pen with a good bit of young pine and cedar with briars and honeysuckle mixed in. Dogs were averaging 4 or 5 miles an hour, they kept showing treed on the garmin, but weren't barking treed. Grey fox in there hop up in a bush or a rock and watch things for a while, dogs look up for a little bit and then start circling, get off a piece and fox jumps out, they check back in and race starts again. You can learn a lot in one of those places, especially if you stay away from the clubhouse. Watched one old grey fox swim a pond and hop out on a rock cliff and run out a log and jump off going the other way.

One thing about Virginia, if you don't like the weather or the scenery, a short wait or a short drive will fix things for you. I've seen the southeast coastal swamps. The rabbits have to swim to get around, brush is too thick for them. Lot of cats in that country, I've trapped and called them. Never hound hunted any there, for cats, a fair amount get killed in front of deer hounds. My experience here, on cats, is that at night, they will pop up the first tree they get to, once the dogs get up on them, if you catch them out in the bigger hardwood and field edges. They will jump out as soon as they see a light, though, unless they are a long way from cover. In the daytime, they are back in the rocks and the laurels, they will run a long time. Run a circle for a while and hop out of it, leave the dogs running in a circle.

[mark]

Think i just dropped a nut!!!!!!

[twist]

Haven't made a dime yet and already wanting half! What a buddy. Lol

[merlo_105]

Andy VA, have you seen the Cats jump out? I heard them story's from coon hunters all the time. Everytime you get close they jump. I have never seen one jump out back there and hunted with a few people who said they did and had there dogs with mine well there dogs false treed mine kept on trucking down the track. Coon dogs on cats make for a lot of Cats jumping out lol...

[Dan Edwards]

often has his dogs avg 9-10+ mph for night

That's about what 99% of the pen dogs average for the most part depending on the pen of course.

[Dan Edwards]

Andy VA, have you seen the Cats jump out? I heard them story's from coon hunters all the time. Everytime you get close they jump. I have never seen one jump out back there and hunted with a few people who said they did and had there dogs with mine well there dogs false treed mine kept on trucking down the track. Coon dogs on cats make for a lot of Cats jumping out lol...

I seen grey fox jump out with my own eyes at night. I only know cuz I put the lil cur dog right on them both and she treed them very quickly. I was walkin in, seen eyes both times and they leaped. She went yackin 100 bpm for bout 10 seconds and both times ended up in a hole in the creek bank.

[perk]

Seen both cat and grey fox leave tree as I approached in the daylight

[Andyva]

Andy VA, have you seen the Cats jump out? I heard them story's from coon hunters all the time. Everytime you get close they jump. I have never seen one jump out back there and hunted with a few people who said they did and had there dogs with mine well there dogs false treed mine kept on trucking down the track. Coon dogs on cats make for a lot of Cats jumping out lol...

A lot of coon dogs, in my experience, are tree happy idjuts. I have heard the bobcat idea floated around as an explanation for dogs that run a track and come up treed every five minutes.
But I have seen cats jump when I got close at night. The ones I saw really didn't jump, more like they walked and slunk out. They were not up very high, in blowdowns or big trees with long low hanging limbs. The ones I knocked out (or could have) were always caught out in the open, tried to cross an open p[lace at night. I treed several with some cur dogs I had, they got up on them before they knew anything was going on, but they were not cat dogs.

The ones I have seen set real pretty, and go up quick, were put up while it was still dark, and walked to in the daylight. The only ones I have seen or heard of around here, that were put on after daylight showed no inclination to want to climb a tree. Most of these were byproducts of bear hunting. I have never owned, or hunted with, an actual cat dog. With a pack of actual cat dogs, things might be different.

[Dan Edwards]

I treed several with some cur dogs I had, they got up on them before they knew anything was going on, but they were not cat dogs.

I have never owned, or hunted with, an actual cat dog. With a pack of actual cat dogs, things might be different.

Stuff like this never got you to thinkin?

[Bon Plott]

The cats that are in smaller "bald" trees usually stay put, like Andy va said big evergreens with a big wingspan and low branches give the cat a chance to rest and slink out. Grey's are rare here, red's hole quick and when they were more valuable slower hounds and beagles kept the fur shed busy

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[undertheradar]

Jumping out