BigGameHoundsmen.com

concludes lions in Colorado front range study kill more mulies with chronic wasting disease than human hunters do.

http://rsbl.royalsocietypublishing.org/ ... l.pdf+html

Very interesting. You certainly do dig up some informative articles!

A couple of significant mathematical probabilities that need to be considered are:

1. This area has one of the highest infection rates in the state and therefore the lions encounter a higher than average number of infected mulies there than elsewhere.

2. If you use the scientific average of 50 deer per year killed by each lion and you use the states very conservative estimate of 4,500 lions in the state, then that totals 225,000 deer killed by lions each year... and that is more than Human hunters do!

Yeah its funny how they can put a spin on any study to make it look positive.. My bet is they are hiding something negative that they found in the study! but someone wanted to make it look like killing lions is a negative!

4500 adult lions that kill a deer a week? Now that is science
in itself.

234,000 Hmmm?


Think...Think hard?.....


Maybe we should take the plane up and count them there lions. LOL!

Yeh, and at 1/2 of that there wouldn't be a deer left in Colorado.
They should finally admit that they can't count lions and hire houndsmen to do it.
It seems like they can't count deer either.
I think their fancy computer population models are flawed...

Theres no way to get an totally accurate count on lions. All one can do is take an educated guess. Computer models are definitely flawed but how else is one going to try to estimate a population state wide with a ton of different types of habitat. Near impossible.

I just got back from hunting mule deer in Colorado and I can say there was no shortage of lion sign. I saw more lion sign in a week hunting up there that I can find in a whole year hunting down here. We glassed one up and found runable tracks everyday. You guys have a lion hunting haven up there!!

Big Mike, keep that under your lid please!LOL

The best way to count lions would be to subcontract it out to the local houndsmen.
Who else would be better qualified for the job?

We kill about 350 lions per year, and at 10% natural mortallity and another 10% for hunting mortality, that would be about 3500 lions statewide at a minimum. Since every lion GMU is increasing in population there has to be more than that, which is probably how they came up with the 4,500 number.

The area I hunt is basically 100 miles by 40 miles and at any given time there is at least 25 adult lions in there. I think that because we have such a dense prey population, the lion population is correspondingly more dense, that is why the computer models are so low when figuring lion population. We have the highest elk population of any state in the country and these lions are thriving on it, which by the way is taking some pressure off the muledeer.

i live in oregon, and our deer population is no where remotely close to what it was before the lion hunting ban for hounds. deer hunting here pretty much sucks any more. less deer, higher license and tag prices. our fish and wildlife division here has no clue how to manage anything except for the tree huggers that work in the office, and their pay-checks!

JIMMY

jimmy i couldnt agree more! when i was hunting last year for deer (and we hunt pretty hard) I saw only one buck and i managed to miss the dang thing. go figure huh. well i did happen to come across 4 lion kills and every single one of them were 4pt bucks. the area i was hunting was around my house and i have not hunted here for a few years because i go over to eastern oregon and hunt the wilderness areas as there is alot less people to drive the roads when there are none, anyways i didnt realize how bad the lions have ben getting. so i called the fish and wildflowers and got to talking to a gentlemen and telling him what i had seen and the complaints i had about how bad the lions were getting. I told him that i didnt understand why taxpayers are paying government trappers to come in here and bring thier dogs and run em, when the state could be generating so much revenue from tag aps and not to mention all the people that it would create jobs for that would maybe start guiding for them. he didnt have a answer and then i asked why the public gets to vote on fish and wildflowers issues in the first place. I mean if they know that there is a problem they shouldnt have to get the approval of all the tree huggin hippies in the major cities that dont have a clue in the first place. well this gentlemen proceeded to tell me that our first issue of lower deer numbers is highway 97 and that we need to do something about a major highway in oregon.... come on the highway is not going anywhere so drop that idea i mean sure you can make improvements but that is not the real issue here. i have a theory. how about we cut off all of the city slickers that dont even have a clue about where thier prime rib comes from or thier eggs or milk or anything foodwise for that matter and see how they like that, because it is all of us country folk that do all the work for them to be able to enjoy all thier luxeries! but that is how ignorant that most of them (not all of them) are about life in general and because they have so many more numbers (people wise) we will never be able to win a vote against them. all this stuff just drives me crazy!!!!! so that is my opinion and it may be harsh but i think that us blue collar people have taken a beating long enough just because we dont have the numbers. and when you get down to it fish and wildflowers should just take controll of the issue and do what needs to be done. Oh and not to mention that he told me that there were an estimated 7,500 lions in the state and then you could probly add a grand to that total and i bet that would be more like it.

marshall