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Couple more days and Utah's new Outfitter/Guide law goes into effect. I just wonder how and if this new law will be applied to hounddoggers?

ike

What is the law?

In the past, the BLM, the Forest Service, and SITLA have been the only agencies that have permitted Outfitters and Guides in the State of Utah. Earlier this year, a new guide bill was passed through our legislature mandating that all Outfitters and Guides also be permitted and licensed through the State of Utah. Therefore, anybody guiding in Utah after January 1, 2010 has to jump through all the hoops for the Division of Occupational and Professional Licensing (DOPL). This new license does not permit a person to guide on BLM or Forest Service Lands, it only allows those who have those permits to continue on. What it does is give the State of Utah the ability to cull out those that don't meet their standards......


ike

Well that sucks for some, but may make less hound doggers out in the woods for some! So are you not allowed to hunt BLM or Forest Service Lands at all?

Sure, anybody can hunt Federal or public lands; guiding on public lands where money or goods and service change hands is what isn't legal. A guy will just have to read through the stuff and jump through the hoops if he wants to take money for his services while hunting. One of the things this law will stop is guides hunting clients on DWR lands that didn't fall under the other land management laws. In the past, people guided on DWR lands without a permit, insurance, or permit as if it were their own lands--but not anymore!

ike

I have a feeling there will be a lot of people getting into some trouble next year. Not sure how many law enforcement officers you have but thats gonna be a lot of ground to cover with a lot of houndsmen that lets face it always dont follow the rules. I think some people are going to be made examples of. Good law though, a lot of people just hunt for themselves so not a big deal but it seems that there are quite a few guides down there.

I was told Utah was one of the last frontiers that didn't regulate guides, and so we are just catching up with the West on this issue. Between the limited-entry summer pursuit seasons and new guide laws our law enforcement should have their hands full. I suppose the biggest issue the conservation officers will face is finding a budget to fill their gas tanks to uphold these new laws......might have to write alot of tickets?

ike

thats the waynev does it i know. really not to bad of a deal.

"thats the waynev does it i know. really not to bad of a deal."

That is the attitude that has cost us as American an awful lot of our rights and freedoms. If something the "state" wants to do doesn't have a direct negative impact on us than we don't care. The problem is that later when the "state" wants to do something that has a direct negative impact on us, then all the people who were negatively impacted before when we didn't care now don't care that we are being negatively impacted because we didn't care when they were being negatively impacted. It is the old divide and conquer strategy. It appears that it is still working.

Bill

AMEN Billy

A few years back I was in Fairbanks Alaska and stopped off by the Natural Resource Building to visit with a biologist on wolf management and depredation. When I walked into their door and asked where Wildlife Resources was they laughed at me and said, "we don't have any wildlife resources here, we only have the fish and game and they are across town."

Wow! Well, as I thought on that statement I realized that Utah switched from "the Fish and Game" to "Wildlife Resources" back in the seventies I believe and that Alaska was that far behind. I also started to get the picture that Alaskans still have some hunting rights, and that the fish and game was not a natural resource because of the people and ideology those people still share. Utah formed the fish and game back in the forties (or there bouts) and took the rights away from hunters only allocating back what they deemed as sporting or OK.

You are correct in saying our states and federal government takes more rights away each and every year. I can remember when DWR made that shift by recognizing the non-consumptive crowd--that wildlife has greater or other values than to kill and eat. In the end, the public decides what and where we go with hunting not the fish and game. Therefore, like I said, we as sportsmen should pay more attention how we present ourselves in the field.........

ike

yes it will apply to hound doggers.

Broncobilly, your quote is from Winston Churchill.

OTH when some nimrod guide dumps his dogs on top of yours & you call the fishcops he'll likely lose his license to guide. after it happens a few times you'll see some house cleaning because it'll be the guys driven by the dollar breaking the too many dog rule just like they already go around screwing things up.

And if it's some Nimrod hound hunter that isn't a guide who dumps on a guides' run, what then? Hopefully the fish and game will take that hunter's hunting license for four or five years......

ike