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I have 2 walker/july pups. Both show interest and my male has bark on track and helped bay a coyote. My female has lead a older dog on track but never barked but shows interest. Problem is my group im in, their dogs will leave my dogs in the dust once they get the urge to push. How are my dogs suppose to learn, I know I need a slow more bark dog to teach them, but I would like them to open more on the track. Is there some "off season" training I can do to get the to open more on coyote scent? Maybe if there someone who wants to sell a older proven dog who will be slow and teach. Any advice is appreciated.

how old are your pups?? just keep taking them and cutting them to the run eventually they will go in. also you could run them in a coyote pen, after a bit they should start a yote and run it. also you can walk them on tracks in the snow. cant really expect a 5mos pup to join in and run all day like an older dog but eventually they will go if there going to. i cant say i agree with needing a slow hound to teach them.when there ready they will run there legs off to get in the hunt.if there 2yr old pups i'd probably cull them and get new ones.and the more time there on the ground the faster they will learn, if you only got two days a week to hunt be patient. im far from an exspert, just trying to give you some ideas. have fun running them.

Thanks for the post, and I do agree with your suggestions. They are going to be 2 years in August. I am try to cut them in as much as possible, but the guys ego's here about dogs for a 5-10 dollar hide. Im all about my dogs, and I am positive of what they have done aready. I have taken them to a pen and had them stay for 2 weeks when they were 10 months old. They both again went with the dogs but rarely opened. I have been around dogs for a while, but not just my own and I want to make them go, and they both do show they want to go, but just don't bark as much as I want. I was planning to send them to the pens for two weeks again this fall and if they don't take well then I guess you know... I just hate putting the time and money into dogs from a good bloodline that just don't turn out. Thanks for the help and maybe i'll have to push more and more for the dogs to get in this upcoming year. They can only learn to go that way. Good luck hunting, and dogs are what it's all about.

them giving tongue doesn't have much to do with the original question. if they have been to a coyote pen and they have run on the outside they are probably as vocal as they will get. so if your not happy with the amount of voice now you most likely wont be later. to me the big question is are they running their own coyotes? are you catching them or shooting in front of them? if they are doing the job find someone who prefers a quieter dog and see if they are interested then buy started dogs that run like you like

ive seen a few hounds that dont bark up good if there not in the lead.ive one that is pretty silent on the cold trail but when he gets enough scent he does open and barks like a machine gun when driving. i had a hound that barked a little then quit all together. took him out alone and he drove 4-5 hours and had to track the whole time. he's gone now. at about 2 i think peg is right about getting all the noise your gonna get out of them.other than trying them on a yote alone and see how they bark up. if the hounds your cutting too outrun them they might not bark anyway. do they stay on the track. can they start a yote, cold nosed? might be more fun to run them alone. worth a try anyway, have fun. and remember i'm no pro hound trainer........ i'd look for several opinions.

yotehunter whats the blood on your dogs?

Good running hounds dont bark unless they are at the front. Run em by themselves if they cant hold the front end and they are not barkin enough to suit you. Aint no young dog in the country gonna run at the front of good dogs. I wouldnt worry about it and those of you that tell you they got one that will, just remind them then that their good dogs must suck hind tit then.

My dogs are half running walker, half july. The running walk is probably the best and smartest dog I have ever seen, he's one of those dogs you will never get rid of. He's got a cold nose, but if it's too cold he will comeback and look at you like why are you sending me on this track. As for my dogs, I have yet to send them on a track by themselves, because I never see the "hot track", it's usually someone else who does and there dogs are down my the time I get there. I as of now there not cold, and by the time I get the chance to get them out there are dogs down already. I was thinking of going to a pen this spring ad just letting them both loose, and seeing if them two can get something started without a proven dog. It's not so much that I want more tongue it's wanting the statisfaction there they will go on there own coyote. I want to thank everyone who replied and helped me out. I do appreciate itand will try some of the suggestions given to me. They have interest and that's the main thing, good luck to everyone and happy running!!!

Ware bouts are you from in Wisconsin?

Around the Algoma area, northeastern Kewaunee county, what about you?

with one of the garmin systems you dont need dogs that bark alot to kill a coyote long as they stay on him and you pay attention to the screen and know the crossings . at there age and the exsposure to coyotes they have had just hunt and give them the opportunity . you could also drag a dead coyote behind 4 wheeler ,truck soon as you start pulling away from them while there running they should open if there gonna just be careful on the 4 wheeler that the rope and coyote dont fetch up on ya when your going like hell it could hurt .

I would use a caller like the foxpro and call the coyotes in.If you can even let your young hounds run a few on sight in the begining.Thereafter you can walk them to where the coyote came in to the caller and let them take that fresh trail. If they start performing on those techniques you can try locating a coyote with the caller and take the hounds in so as to cut his trail without going directly to the spot.

The garmin product would or should work perfectly for your hunting purposes with hounds that are not to noisy on track.

In fact with this product it would give a whole new dimension to running either jackal or coyotes with hounds. I would prefer quiet type dogs for predator control in conjunction with the garmin astro.

If I were a coyote I would rather choose a noisy bunch of hounds on my ass than fast accurate quiet hounds.

Roy Sparks.

Roy Sparks wrote:
If I were a coyote I would rather choose a noisy bunch of hounds on my ass than fast accurate quiet hounds.

Roy Sparks.

Yes sir I agree with that.

Dan Edwards wrote:Good running hounds dont bark unless they are at the front.... Aint no young dog in the country gonna run at the front of good dogs.

I agree with Dan. Your dogs are doing what they are supposed to do when they are behind, shut up and catch up. If your pups were running up with the older dogs already then you'll soon have the two best dogs in the bunch. Keep hunting them. If they still don't suit you I can put you on some finished dogs that will catch in this country if you want to come to TX to get them.
Derek

first of i would say something to your crew.they know you have dogs your trying to get in a chase ,to see what they will do.its not all about the kill,the good dogs chasing!if they gave a sh*t they would give u a chance with your dogs + a broke dog to help them.think about it.

what i do is go to pens fox or yote.you should be able to get them going on there own.go out at night spoting for fox or yote and drop them.if you can spot.im no pro at this at all.im learning just like you.find the guy in your group that cares about the hounds and get him to help you.we uses to be kill kill kill and werent getting pups in like we should have.now some of them pups are junk and gone.thanks and hope this helps