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How much Trigg or running dog do you want in a cat dog? How much is too much and how much is not enough? Do you want them half and half or a quarter Trigg and 3/4 tree hound? Where do you find full running dogs? I looked on speed dogs and they all seem to be pen or trial dogs..

Depends on where your at. My buddy does good with his treeing walkers no running blood in them.

plenty of full blooded running dogs out there. Id say most are on the east coast. Mostly because we can run deer with them. Speeddogs is going to be a tough place to find running dog stock that isnt bred for field trials as most of those guys are field trialers/pen hunters/deer hunters. Every once in a while the guys who hunt broke dogs speak up on there but they are a true minority on that site. There is a guy on here name Poon who hunts running dogs that have a reputation for being good, Dads Dog Boy runs running dogs, those might be 2 places to start looking if your looking for good running walkers, although I dont know what either would part with if any. Not alot of guys I know have triggs, I have a big trigg breeder up the road a bit from me, I have 1 dog that is running walker/trigg cross that I raised from this guys stock and my own. He does good on grey/red fox, I could get you his number if you wanted some full trigg stock.
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Another question is why does everyone out here on the west coast cross Trigg into their tree dogs and not the running walker? Exactly what is the difference between the two breeds. Yes I'm looking but I don't want to jump on anything I want to find the right dog, and preferably a registered dog. I will always keep my walker lines going but I'm not against some Hi-bred vigor................

I have never been around running walkers only triggs. I recently talked to some good people who have experiences with both. The bottem line was triggs tended to have colder nose but were a tad bit slower than running walkers. If you talk to bear hunters they say the trigg also are grittier than the running walkers. As far as percentages go my experience is it depends on the parents. for example had a female once that was half trigg/half walker. Was a light treer. She was crossed with a walker dog. All her pups were exactly like her. The dogs I have right now English/Trigg cross straight down the middle. The whole litter trees strong and run like triggs. About the same time I crossed a leapord cur female with a half walker half trigg male that was fast but wouldnt tree. 3 pups survived. Two are light tree dogs while the third is a mediocre tree dog.

my personal experience is that good running walkers are alot faster than triggs and will fly past most trigs.. but most of all running walkers have that poodle mouth chop.. but triggs got nicers mouths... and there faster than treeing dogs but not faster than what i'd call a good running dog.. but in the defence of triggs.. i've only hunted with 10 at most! im crossing a cat dog to my july female when she comes in heat.. so i think ill have some good fast stock out of that...

and as you all know us july people we have wat we like to call the flying hounds

[quote="BEAR HUNTER"]I have never been around running walkers only triggs. I recently talked to some good people who have experiences with both. The bottem line was triggs tended to have colder nose but were a tad bit slower than running walkers. If you talk to bear hunters they say the trigg also are grittier than the running walkers.

Bear Hunter a good start. I spoke with some good hunters, most oltimers for about six months, before i made my choice for a half/cross. The trigg cold trails, more apt to tree, more grit, and a good voice. The running walkers, are nice dogs and no disrespect, as I own a good half now, doing great on bear. He is med nose, fast, and trees pretty good. I again think it boils down to game, and area. I picked the trigg, for the obvious reasons, and also, they are tough. For the first few hours, the speed is the same as my tree dogs. But they can keep the pace, most of the day. When my dogs jump and hit a bear, i want them shoulder to shoulder, not strung out, that doesnt tree bear. So the trigg, fits into my program.I'm sure Dewey can give a great answer on cats and the west

Here is my opinion. It depends on the dogs. I have ran triggs, running walkers , julys and some part Goodman walker and would like to hunt with some more old time Goodman walkers. You see a lot more triggs than the others out here.I would stay away from the pen bred dogs. I think they are hotter nosed and ADS. I want a lay backed easy going dog that will cold trail. A dog can not out run his nose for me. I will give up speed for the train ability of a dog { brains]. I like 1/4 or 1/8 running dog in my cats dogs, but right now I have two full blood Leopard curs and Finley River treeing walkers some of which has been in this area for 35 years. They all have there place. They should complement each other. If you are looking for the perfect dog good luck. Let me know, I want some of that. I think one needs to find the best you can find then build a pack around that by adding what you are missing. The problem is to know what you are missing in a pack to get accomplished what you want to do. If you don't have a idea where your heading you can never get there. I have been privileged in owning 5 top cat dogs in the last 45 years. They give me a measuring stick to compare others with. Until you have owned a top cat dog or hunted with one, its hard to know what can be done. The running to me is not for the speed it is the the ability to move a track fast. It's how they handle a track, on the track never smelling the same place twice. Not over a few feet off the track at any time. The thing with running dogs is finding ones that tree. For me a good locating cat dog does it because of track smarts not tree smart. They know that the track ended and are not willing to go back down it or leave to look for another one. They do not have to bark much. Some of the best locating dogs I have owned or hunted with have been running dogs that only barked 2 or 3 times in a minute when treed. That's OK with me. I prefer it over a dog that barks a lot. A lot of the coon bred dogs buy to many trees with nothing there. That comes from no track smarts. I have seen 1/8 running dogs act like full running dog and 1/2 running dog act like treeing dogs. Anytime you make a cross of two types it a crap shoot and sometimes that what you get crap and sometimes you get the best of both worlds. Dewey

If you are gonna fool around with running dog blood just stay away from the field trial type folks and find men that are running coyote, fox, or cat on the outside and gettin it done by only lettin the dogs do the work. You dont want to get dogs from shooters or spikers if you are wantin dogs that do it all. Thats not to say them boys are wrong but their dogs wont do it all from start to finish like the ones that are bred for that day in and day out.

I AGREE WITH DEWEY. THAT IS WITH OUT A DOUBT THE TRUTH

But Dewey half of your pack is half Kemp dogs, so they have to have atleast 1/4 trigg in them? I read what a lot of guys are saying about running dogs needed in our cat dogs, and to a point I believe they are right. Maybe the walkers are to pure now days??? Maybe we bred the running dog outof them?

my best trail dog on cats is a full blooded liquer bred running walker from georgia the rest are three eights to three quarter trigg. the walker is the best full blooded running dog I have owned the triggs cross breed more consistantly in my opinion because they are more like a tree bred dog alittle slower more methotical track dog and most triggs if hunted young with tree dogs will tree naturally on there own at about 18 months to 2 years old

I have a 1/2 running dog from Mike that has always located and three of her 1/4 running dog pups. I feel I have pushed the running dogs as far as I can and have to go back to my old walker dogs. There are things that you get from both type that you need in a pack of cat dogs. I feel its a fine line what I am looking for in a cat pack. It is easy to go back and forth, it is hard to walk the line and find that perfect cat dog or pack. You need to look for dogs that feel the holes in your pack. I have yet to see a perfect dog. Dewey

I have probably already talked myself out of it. I don't re
ally want to buy something I wanted to breed something myself, that's the way I like to do things. But it sounds like you want 1/4 running dog so to breed that you would need someone who constantly was breedind 1/2 running dogs all the time to keep the cross going.

could someone post the differences generaly in the runnin dogs seems like trigg gets mixed with hog dogs and tree dogs what is the story with crogans hear they have a cult following the liquer breed dogs dogs have a following also it would help if someone could list all with traits from what i hear a bear dog treeing walker can stay with runnin walkers for a hour or to when trained to run coyote then the stamina of the runnin dog shines but there are so many strains of runnin dogs its weird sure would like to see and hear a little more about triggs and crogans thanks lifreediver