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new gun calibers
Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 12:06 pm
by ferjr
what is the deal with all these gun manufactures coming out with all these new "latest greatest gun calibers". isnt it hard enough to find ammo in the old stand by calibers that have been arround for years? every time i look at a new magazine i see they have come out with something new that does absolutely nothing over what is already out there and has been made for years. i just saw remington has introduced a 30 rem. for there r15 which they say comes close to matching a .308, why not just buy a r25, it comes in a .308. this is one of many cartriges that really dont make any sence to me. the ammo manufactors cant keep up with all the bullsh*t that all the gun makers are now producing. out of all of these new, great rounds i have yet to see one that really offers enough advantage, if any, over the ones that have been produced over decades. how many of these not so great calibers are going to stick arround or just be a flash in the pan. there will be alot of disapointed people stuck with guns that are made in obsolete calibers in the near future in my opinion.
Re: new gun calibers
Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 1:54 pm
by slowandeasy
ferjr,i think it is us that aren't rowing with both oars in the water that is the real problem.we all know that one hundred or two hundred foot per second doesn't make any differance on the recieving end of the bullet.so what makes a normaly sound person that owns a 300 win or 300 weatherby sell it and lose some money to buy a 300 rum. probably cause they had to have the best. (good old ego) so we really make it easy for salesmen or counterfeit dog and puppy jockey's who think there is an ass for every seat to relieve us of our hard earned cash. so i guess just because someone throws out the bait or (bs) doesn't mean we have to eat so much of it that we founder, and make them succesfull theives. jmo thanks and good luck!
Re: new gun calibers
Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 2:05 pm
by larry
slowandeasy wrote:ferjr,i think it is us that aren't rowing with both oars in the water that is the real problem.we all know that one hundred or two hundred foot per second doesn't make any differance on the recieving end of the bullet.so what makes a normaly sound person that owns a 300 win or 300 weatherby sell it and lose some money to buy a 300 rum. probably cause they had to have the best. (good old ego) so we really make it easy for salesmen or counterfeit dog and puppy jockey's who think there is an ass for every seat to relieve us of our hard earned cash. so i guess just because someone throws out the bait or (bs) doesn't mean we have to eat so much of it that we founder, and make them succesfull theives. jmo thanks and good luck!
300 win and 300 wby aren't in the same league as the RUM. They all do the job under the proper applications, just depends on what that application is. 300 RUM is an affordable competitor for the 30-378 wby, and in some ways better. Some of the new calibers are outstanding, some not so much.
Re: new gun calibers
Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 2:58 pm
by bob baldwin jr
I could not agree with you more. I personally have about 35 rifles , shotguns , and handguns . very few are what you would call odd-ball calibers . Ranging from 22's to a 460 Weatherby. Been acquiring them for 45 years . The biggest issue Guys that have the Odd -Ball calibers is once they are found you almost have to take out a second Mortgage to buy a couple of boxes
I am lucky enough to be able to afford 4-5 hunts per year ,Not including local Maine hunting. Most all North America and Canada . Absolutely love BC. Funny thing is I keep reaching for the Same calibers most of the time.
22's for plinking with the Grand-kids
30-06 for deer
7mm for Elk
338 Win Mag for moose and bear
22-250 for coyotes
12 guage for Patridge and turkeys.
44 mag for bears when chasing with hounds
Don't get me started on all the NEW fancy BOW GIZMO's either
OR
Muzzleloaders
Now if I can figure out what to hunt with that 460 Weatherby I will be all set
I do some reloading but NOT as Much as I should
Re: new gun calibers
Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 3:42 pm
by slowandeasy
Re: new gun calibers
Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 5:12 pm
by larry
well thats strange since I just happened to look it up in my barnes book max vel for BC coefficeint .552 in the wby at 3100 max vel. and the RUM at 3400 max vel at 500 yds the RUM had 400 more ft/sec and 500 more ft lbs...weird. these numbers are very conservative also, I'm getting a 10 shot chronographed average of 3647fps 180gr MRX out of the RUM with retumbo powder.
Re: new gun calibers
Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 6:32 pm
by George Streepy
My 300 RUM is 3250 fps with 180 grain bullet. There is no doubt that those guns are smokin fast. I have a Remington Sendero, it was miserable to shoot, so it had a removable muzzle break, lightened trigger, pillar bedded, softer pad, and a few other things I forgot about. I still prefer the old faithful 7mm rem mag. I still haven't seen any one shoot a 300 RUM very well. I don't think it is the round, it is the shooter. Those guns are punishing, call me a wuss if you like, but a more comfortable shooter is going to do better than some one that flinches before lighting off their cannon.
In my opinion there are several more than capable rounds that have been around for many years. I bought my cannon because it was a good deal, spent a $1000 at the gunsmith, and I will be hunting with my old gun. $25 for 7mm rounds and $63 for 300 RUM.
Any one want to buy a 300 RUM?
Re: new gun calibers
Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 6:38 pm
by ferjr
George Streepy wrote:My 300 RUM is 3250 fps with 180 grain bullet. There is no doubt that those guns are smokin fast. I have a Remington Sendero, it was miserable to shoot, so it had a removable muzzle break, lightened trigger, pillar bedded, softer pad, and a few other things I forgot about. I still prefer the old faithful 7mm rem mag. I still haven't seen any one shoot a 300 RUM very well. I don't think it is the round, it is the shooter. Those guns are punishing, call me a wuss if you like, but a more comfortable shooter is going to do better than some one that flinches before lighting off their cannon.
In my opinion there are several more than capable rounds that have been around for many years. I bought my cannon because it was a good deal, spent a $1000 at the gunsmith, and I will be hunting with my old gun. $25 for 7mm rounds and $63 for 300 RUM.
Any one want to buy a 300 RUM?
i totally agree.
Re: new gun calibers
Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 6:47 pm
by slowandeasy
George Streepy wrote:My 300 RUM is 3250 fps with 180 grain bullet. There is no doubt that those guns are smokin fast. I have a Remington Sendero, it was miserable to shoot, so it had a removable muzzle break, lightened trigger, pillar bedded, softer pad, and a few other things I forgot about. I still prefer the old faithful 7mm rem mag. I still haven't seen any one shoot a 300 RUM very well. I don't think it is the round, it is the shooter. Those guns are punishing, call me a wuss if you like, but a more comfortable shooter is going to do better than some one that flinches before lighting off their cannon.
In my opinion there are several more than capable rounds that have been around for many years. I bought my cannon because it was a good deal, spent a $1000 at the gunsmith, and I will be hunting with my old gun. $25 for 7mm rounds and $63 for 300 RUM.
Any one want to buy a 300 RUM?
sure can appreciate the post george. was wondering would would ya get rid of your 7mm to buy a 7mm rum? catch ya later!
Re: new gun calibers
Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 6:56 pm
by George Streepy
NOPE! My 7mm is a 1970 Sako Finnbear. Old and ugly, but shoots like a dream. I can shoot it better at 600 yards than the 300 RUM at 200 yards. I guess I will stick with what works. The worst part is it is actually my dads gun, I borrowed it 15 years ago and keep forgetting to give it back.
For 300 RUM lovers, my honest opinion is stick with what works for you. I am just not man enough I guess.
Re: new gun calibers
Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 7:05 pm
by ferjr
my theore is, you have alot of people running out and buying these ultra mags thinking that they are going to be able to hit a deer or elk at 500+ yards automatically just cause the gun is capable of it, people dont consider the fact you have to compensate for wind as well as trajectory at these distances. a shot off the bench at the range is totally different than trying to make that same shot in real hunting situations. realistically, how many times have you been out hunting and had to make a shot at distances greater than 500 yards. like george, i too would rather shoot a gun that i know i can shoot, rather than having the big bubba syndrom. my dad also has a remington sendero, it sits in the corner, it is too heavy to tote up and down mountains all day. i have a .280 and a 338 win mag, that i would not hesitate to shoot anything with either one, and ammo is a heck of a lot cheaper. animals arent any tougher now than they were 100 years ago, dead is dead. JMO.
Re: new gun calibers
Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 7:49 pm
by larry
Well yer right about the RUM bein miserable to shoot without a muzzle break, look into the quiet break, makes a difference. Kicks about like a 243. Far as the range goes thats up to each individual and wha they want to try to accomplish and how much time and money they wanna spend getting good at it. Before the economy dumped I was able to put together a pretty fun long range gun in the 300RUM, shooting clay pigeons out to 900yds. Not gonna say how far i have and will shoot game, that'll just start another BS session, but I will say that when you start gettin out there the extra vel and energy is needed to get bullets to open and penetrate. At 900 yds I have the equivalent of a 30-30 at the muzzle.
Re: new gun calibers
Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 8:10 pm
by ferjr
they have there purpose i suppose, but personally i would never take a shot on any big game animal at that yardage. i think it is impractical and unetheical. i like to take a shot that i am sure of that isnt going wound the animal. 900 yards is fine for shooting prairie dogs, but is unessesary in big game hunting. if you cant get closer than 900 yards to your game you might want to look at your hunting tactics and make changes accordingly. i do alot of long range shooting but its at targets and prairie dogs. JMO.
Re: new gun calibers
Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 8:26 pm
by retired
ferjr wrote:my theore is, you have alot of people running out and buying these ultra mags thinking that they are going to be able to hit a deer or elk at 500+ yards automatically just cause the gun is capable of it, people dont consider the fact you have to compensate for wind as well as trajectory at these distances. a shot off the bench at the range is totally different than trying to make that same shot in real hunting situations. realistically, how many times have you been out hunting and had to make a shot at distances greater than 500 yards. like george, i too would rather shoot a gun that i know i can shoot, rather than having the big bubba syndrom. my dad also has a remington sendero, it sits in the corner, it is too heavy to tote up and down mountains all day. i have a .280 and a 338 win mag, that i would not hesitate to shoot anything with either one, and ammo is a heck of a lot cheaper. animals arent any tougher now than they were 100 years ago, dead is dead. JMO.
Re: new gun calibers
Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 8:26 pm
by George Streepy
My 300 was tamed down considerably with the muzzle break. It isn't that bad to shoot now. The problem I have is remembering ear plugs when I go hunting. No one in their right mind is going to squeeze the trigger more than once without ear plugs in! It is so loud to the shooter it makes you sort of dizzy. That is why I went with the removable break, in hunting situations one may tend to forget a mule kick is on its way. There are some older calibers that can be very accurate at long ranges. Some actually prefer rounds like the 7mm rem mag for its stability when stretching out to those obscene ranges. To each is their own, I will keep my 300 RUM around, but it is not needed to make some of those longer shots. There are videos around of guys dropping bull elk with a 7mm at 1200 yards. But like Larry said that is another bs session all together.
Time to go hunting fellas, see ya.