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i hear about alot of people running grey fox but no talk of red fox does anybody run red fox? there is no grey fox in my area but plenty of red fox. i let my pups run them for training we are yet to tree one ( not sure they will tree) but have caught them on the ground. just curious to other peoples experiances?

i run reds as well as greys. Reds are actually a tougher animal to catch on top. They dont climb like a grey does, but smart ones have been known to run up a tree thats leaning a little. If you look at there feet there claws do not retract like a grey foxes, their claws are like the claws of a small dog, thus not allowing them to go straight up. reds are easier to run in poor scenting conditions as they smell so strong, if you have been around enough you can smell when one has been in the area recently. Greys normally run so much prettier and tighter than reds do, so i really prefer to run greys, but have enjoyed many a red fox race, also have unenjoyed alot as well, as they can cover alot of ground and take you up and down roads you dont want dogs near. i also think reds tend to be more cowardly. If you see him in a crossing and start harking your dogs up tighter on him more than once he tends to go in a hole in my area, You can do this on some greys as many times as you can see him and he may still try to out last you on top, or at least wont go straight in a hole. What type of terrian are you running red in?

farm fields mainly, broken up with ditchlines of russain olive bushes and willows, lots of cotton wood trees. best luck catching them comes when they try to cross the field to the next line of cover

perk wrote:i run reds as well as greys. Reds are actually a tougher animal to catch on top. They dont climb like a grey does, but smart ones have been known to run up a tree thats leaning a little. If you look at there feet there claws do not retract like a grey foxes, their claws are like the claws of a small dog, thus not allowing them to go straight up. reds are easier to run in poor scenting conditions as they smell so strong, if you have been around enough you can smell when one has been in the area recently. Greys normally run so much prettier and tighter than reds do, so i really prefer to run greys, but have enjoyed many a red fox race, also have unenjoyed alot as well, as they can cover alot of ground and take you up and down roads you dont want dogs near. i also think reds tend to be more cowardly. If you see him in a crossing and start harking your dogs up tighter on him more than once he tends to go in a hole in my area, You can do this on some greys as many times as you can see him and he may still try to out last you on top, or at least wont go straight in a hole. What type of terrian are you running red in?

100% agree with perk those reds run like a deer race, and mostly go under ground i'm told by fox and coyote guy's. i have never let those trashy son of gun's of mine run them long enough to hole em or catch em . bad moon just wondering what breed and what strain are ya running might sometime be intrested in a little of that if their catching them obove ground. also perk have ya had those grey's bark at the hounds when they have their young to make sure they keep following them away from the young. thanks and lots a luck!!!

Slowandeasy, Ive never seen/heard a fox stop and bark at a pack of dogs. Normally the grey foxes are running for their life if they are close enough for a dog to hear them bark. Now when they are raising young foxes they will rarely run in their home territory where they raised, they always seem to go run in another thick spot a little ways away. We run in alot of big timber/fields when we get after red foxes, it is rare for one to try to bust across a field if they are up on him good. Would like to see some more that would bust a field when the dogs are up on him good.
Perk

We have run them for alot of years here. Did most of it before the coyotes came around. We used to get some real good chases, and like Perk said they can cover alot of ground. It seemed like the more pressure the dogs put on them the farther ahead of the dogs they would run. Now adays it is rare to get much of a chase. They usually end up underground. I know some guys have had good luck running beagles and getting them to stay up, but that doesn't interest me.

perk, it was always at night coon hunting when it ocured, and i say bark but i guess it is really not like a dogs bark. can't really descibe it unless you've heard it. don't know about during the day but they sure do it at knight. take care catch ya again!

i have heard them bark it is more of a yap, kind of reminds me of those annoying little lap dogs. my kennel is located on prime farm ground for them and they have learned kenneled dogs are no threat and have caught them several times sitting in front of my kennel yapping at my dogs.

bad moon, what breed and what strain ya runnin?

slowneasy
no special lines here, i got a plott from what i can gather is from the last of the willis butoff plotts? he is crazy fast on a track and could catch them if he got a good jump on them. i have also seen him run down coyote. i have since bend him off of them due to the fact one of my favorite spring lion spots seem to cary a good number of fox. i now have a couple year olds pups that wanted to get more trail time on so i broke ol jacks out of fox retirement for a few days to teach the pups. we ran a two last week that ended in a loss but finally on the third they got the jump on him and caught him in the field after about an hour of trailing.

Slowandeasy i have heard them bark many times, reds and greys, whether it be at night or in a cage, but never seen it happen while hunting. never saw it happen while coon hunting either.
Perk

I raised a litter of reds one time. They can make a variety of very strange noises. Some of the noises they made I never would have guessed was a fox if I heard it in the woods. Screams, clicks, squalls and then typical canine type noises.
Derek

bad moon thats pretty neat! don't know if any of the potlicker's i've owned could have got that done, always jumped their ass with the tri-tronics. talk to ya again!

well i am sure i will regreat it early this fall when they jump one while dirt trailing a lion.

ya but look at the brite side at least ya know what the hell their doing! some just come home after a long day of trailing on the dry and tell everyone oh we trailed an old lion track all day see ya later!