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Hey im new to the site and im from northwest montana. Lateley Ive been getting interested in running coyotes with hounds. I run alot lions ansd some bobcats. Im wondering if this can be done with two hounds or if it takes more dogs to get them caught. Its all timber and mountain country around here so what dogs would work best. Do these coyotes bay up or is it more of run and gun kinda deal Im used to everything going up a tree Thanks

You can run and gun catch some and both. If you are looking to hunt by yourself and want to catch them and bay them, I would recommend the faster hounds. Min of 2 hounds. Some yote chases go over 20 miles and that isnt that uncommon. The more snow you have the yotes will tire quicker and bay up sooner.
I have had only one real good dog (treeing) and some others that passed through here. We mainly run and gun, but we do bay up a few each year. I also have ben dabbling in the running hounds. They strech out my tree hounds pretty good though. In the bigger country running dogs put more pressure on the yote. My tree dogs are better jump dogs and I run them on cats also.

Hey thanks for the advice. We have alot of roads around here but once the snow sets in we are kinda limited. There is alot of area where you might be 5 miles between roads. We have some deep nasty stuff too so Im curious on ur catches and I know every chase will be different will the dogs hold the coyotes at bay for along time or do they like to run and hold up till they catch there wind and off they go again or what. Thanks

If you have a really good dog it could be over before you get there. Sometimes when you get close they pop out and take off. Everyone is different. The more and better dogs the less they pop out on you. Each dog is different. Some will fight and bay better than others.

Hey thanks michigan gunner. I only want to try running two dogs just cause im keeping three for running cats and I dont have the room for to many . Im thinking people just dont do it here cause of the terrain and alot of the area you are going to have acouple miles between roads. Any reccomendation on breed of hound you would try in these conditions.

Breed one of your gritty cat hounds to a running dog male. Just a thought.

My experience was big country you need a dog tough enough to kill it himself.I found one that had been retired from pen running because he kept killing the yote.He was a running walker,not much for a nose but stamina to spare and would kill any yote that took one wrong step.

Coop my lion hounds can handle this big country all day but I dont think they are doing the kind of running a coyotes going to do. Do these coyotes stay running fast all day.

It really depends on what your wanting... now......... me personally..i wan't cut anything but a running dog loose for a fox or yote.. the end no ands if or butts!!! the day you run with GOOD running dogs you'll see what im talking about.. the speed they have is soooo amazing that its BEYOND DISBELIEF!! me telling you wan't do it justice! it really want.. they seriously go so fast.. that we can't catch them with the trucks.. like trying to cut them off... you know how you coon hunt and you "drive around" <-- that doesn't happen.. YOU literally have to CHASE THEM DOWN lol. we let some young dogs go together one time no grown dogs..just young dogs... why you ask? cause we had a bad case of DUMB A## going i guess.. they struck a deer.. and my god.. by time i got in the truck.. and go to the end of the road.. they were about to cross over the mountain... good thing i teach obediance with the tri tronics!!!!

THIS IS JUST MY OPINON AND I'VE HAD ALOT OF EXPERIENCE IN THE HOUND WORLD DEF WHEN IT COMES TO FOXS, YOTES, AND COONS...
If your wanting to gun the yotes down.. while running... i would stay far away from the speed dogs.. true you can shoot them.. but its alot easier with slower dogs.. cause the yote want be running as fast.. he want go out as far and he want loop as much!! AND ITS ALOT CHEAPER! go out here.. get you a dog that is running deer alot and want tree coons that somone is going to cull.. brake it off deer.. get you a yote.. pet them up on it.. let it go just like a cage coon.. work from there..you can find yotes easy def at night.. take the dogs there.. most dogs run them.. just slowly work them on it and they pick it up.. just like anything else...

NOW FOR THE EXPENSIVE PART!!!! LOL
Go out here.. do NOT get a outside dog from a pen.. for a lot of reasons.. a lot of people who don’t know that they don’t know.. will tell you to do this.. stay AWAY from pen dogs when hunting on the outside… for a lot of reasons.. main reason.. these pens have a electric fence at the bottom.. the dogs run and bump that.. so they automatically become “fence shy” and they will NOT and I mean WILL NOT cross a fence.. NOW… there are people like me.. who have dogs that hunt on the inside and out side… but I started them on the outside… your about to laugh at me.. DOGS KNOW WHEN THERE IN A PEN!! MAKE NO MISTAKE ABOUT IT THEY KNOW!!! But idk why.. if they can’t/haven’t ben taught they can cross fences without getting shocked.. they don’t cross… idk why!!! But any who.. the 2nd reason is.. most pen dogs don’t even run the tracks right!!! They slice and cut slice and cut to stay up front.. they constantly run different tracks.. Soon as this track ends there off to the next one cause there’s so much sent in the pen … now… like I said there are some that can do both.. but that takes time and dedication.. 3rd reason.. pen dogs normally are bread NOT TO ATTACK.. there are a lot of pens that will straight up KICK YOU OUT AND TELL YOU TO NEVER COME BACK AGAIN if your dog kills the game.. normally they bay it against the fence if anything.. but most the time they run in holes and the dogs are on to the next sent... When you go to that pen.. listen to the dogs… there are some dogs that will open up on the other dogs sent.. believe it or not.. if you hear him open up and the other dogs run to him and not run it.. then go somewhere else and open up then yes… he’s more than likely running the sent of another dog.. now if I was you this is what I would do.. cause good yote and fox dogs are expensive!! And I mean EXPENSIVE!! I’d save up my cash.. buy a dog that can do it all by himself that is kind of past the golden years.. buy a couple young dogs.. as much as this hurts me to say.. STAY AWAY FROM MY BELOVED JULYS !! until you can learn what a good dog is.. and when you see a GOOD july you will think very less of them walkers.. but the problem is finding good ones.. and when you do… there very expensive!!! But the thing is.. walkers normally run 20 hours.. if not longer… julys.. 3-12 hours.. now the ones i have will run all day and night.. but in all honesty I can’t make that statement cause they normally catch the yote/fox within a few mins.. or hours.. very rarely do they get away.. if they cross a field.. they signed there own death warrant lol.. but.. you got a lot you need to learn.. the difference in a deer and a yote.. now believe it or not that is something that a good ear can only pick up on.. you being from the big game field.. how many people you know got a dog that runs coon to deer coon to deer until they tree a coon? Or cat/bear/ w/e they hunt lol

Main thing

-old dog that jumps and runs that you see chasing yotes and nothing else *unless your ok with fox* he want cost you as much… maybe 500-1000
- buy about 5 young running walker dogs… god that hurt to type… OR MY FAVORITE.. walker x july.. that’s a great cross.. walker gives it the guts july gives it the speed.. speed and drive is EVERYTHING…
Final fun part.. go grey dealing with them with a good tri tronics… make sure you like it before you spend this much time and cash on this sport... good luck pm if you want any additinal advice

Ringo , do you have wolfs in your area? If so forget it jmo.
Good advice given in above post and I'll add that I came from the east and ran coyotes out there with a very good pack of hounds and we had roads everywhere. It was hard work and not for the light hearted as we did alot of snow shoeing in upstate NY. When I moved out here I realised right away that in some spots there arnt any roads for 20 miles lol ! . But we dont crazy snow like you have so it can be done on a mule or horse atv. True the tree dogs breeds have on average colder noses and might jump better but if you hunt your running hound alot it will be just as good and faster imo, and do you really want to run and old coyote track? I dont . Good luck.

Yes stuntman we have alot of wolves here. I just figured I run my cat dogs around them, but most the time we got good snow and got a good idea on where the wolves are hanging. But I also dont know much about running coyotes and if they run miles and miles all day long they could be anywhere in a short period of time. We just have a pile of coyotes here and they are kinda hard to kill in this timber country. Stuntman are you from that Mountain Home Country

No way east.

I love to hear guys bad mouth them pen dogs. Most guys who do say it love to say how much they hunt but hardly ever put their dogs on the ground. most pen dogs get hunted more and are in way better shape than outside dogs. There are guys who only run in the pen and I wouldnt recomend dogs that havent seen the outside for several years, but then if they can do in the pen they can do it out or the other way around. it may be different down in georgia but i dont see good pen dogs up here from there either.
Rick

aardemar wrote:I love to hear guys bad mouth them pen dogs. Most guys who do say it love to say how much they hunt but hardly ever put their dogs on the ground. most pen dogs get hunted more and are in way better shape than outside dogs. There are guys who only run in the pen and I wouldnt recomend dogs that havent seen the outside for several years, but then if they can do in the pen they can do it out or the other way around. it may be different down in georgia but i dont see good pen dogs up here from there either.
Rick

AArdemar-I found everything you said to be the oppisite for me. I've found Pen Runners to have a hard time running a tuff track and they start to cut and run roads or snowmobile trails to get ahead. I also found that most dogs bred for the pen are just that bred for the pen. I know a few hunters that have taken Pen bred pups and turned out to be usable dogs but I always thought why bother with all the trouble, I just got my dogs from people that hunted on the outside and bred dogs used on the outside for the conditions I was hunting at the time.I'm sure I had some bad luck and theres "pen" dogs that can do it but its alway "can you believe Joe won the Lottery !" you never heard about the other 100 million that played and never won. Take care Stunt.

STUNTMAN wrote:

aardemar wrote:I love to hear guys bad mouth them pen dogs. Most guys who do say it love to say how much they hunt but hardly ever put their dogs on the ground. most pen dogs get hunted more and are in way better shape than outside dogs. There are guys who only run in the pen and I wouldnt recomend dogs that havent seen the outside for several years, but then if they can do in the pen they can do it out or the other way around. it may be different down in georgia but i dont see good pen dogs up here from there either.
Rick

AArdemar-I found everything you said to be the oppisite for me. I've found Pen Runners to have a hard time running a tuff track and they start to cut and run roads or snowmobile trails to get ahead. I also found that most dogs bred for the pen are just that bred for the pen. I know a few hunters that have taken Pen bred pups and turned out to be usable dogs but I always thought why bother with all the trouble, I just got my dogs from people that hunted on the outside and bred dogs used on the outside for the conditions I was hunting at the time.I'm sure I had some bad luck and theres "pen" dogs that can do it but its alway "can you believe Joe won the Lottery !" you never heard about the other 100 million that played and never won. Take care Stunt.

exactly... they hunt totally different and are bread to slice and cut.. we tried them and like you said they hit the roads non stop.. I agree 100% with you