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What do you guys mean by saying your dog is broke? How do you break a dog from trash? There is no right or wrong answer here. I just want to know how people get there what it means to different people. In my years I think I have used them all. Broke may mean that they will just run one game or like hunting in Arkansas as a kid the same dogs ran everything. They just seem to know that we were rabbit,coon or deer hunting and ran what we were after. Dewey

my dog's are all liar broke /// that means every time i say there broke they make a liar out of me . only had one dog that i would say was totally broke he only ran bears he just wouldn't anything else ; dont know why he just wouldn't jim

Jim: How was he started and on what? Do you start him? Dewey

when he was young all i ran was bears . used to find tracks and just start walking him until he could get it up and running , hunted by myself a lot back then , the wife didnt like but it worked better for me , if theres to many dog's you cant tell who's doing what , so i hunt with very few other people

While I hunt bobcat with an occasional fox, coon or Mt. Lion broke means running anything other than these. Where I hunt there are no bears so I don't give them any thought but game like deer, coyote, oppsum, skunk etc. are a definite no.... Now I realize that to most running anything but a single type of game i.e. bobcat, bear, lion etc is the only way but I like to hunt with my dogs so if I were a bear hunter then I would miss a great bobcat race when bear season is closed. I guess it comes from hunting with my grand father and catching game that the hides were worth value. I know alot will disagree but this is the way I was brought up and see not reason to change at this late date...

dewey, broke is defined here by the last breath of air my dog takes and tips over....the last collar removed....tri-tronics, trash breaker ultra.mine will be matched collar for collar, garmin, wildlife materials and tri-tronics....till the end... broke from what? broke means getting a dog stopped from what? harms way.....and about one hundred more different good reasons....and once i get to about number 99.....time for the dog to forget a trash lesson learned earlier....just the way my dogs are.....most of the time this is how it is in the same company....start mixing dogs and the numbers change rapidly.....mike

AAAAh Mr. Dewey....are you trying to stir the Pot or bring forth reasoned responses?

For Dad there are three types of Broke:

1. Broke to handle....this comes first in a Pups life experiences. They must be BROKE to come on command, to load in the truck, to remain silent until they are released and smell the Game(Bobcat) that they are to run....no exceptions once they are past 7 months of age, and very few before.

2. Broke on the Game of choice...Bobcat...only speak when they smell a Bobcat. Broke in Broke Company.

3. Pressure Broke - this means that if something barks at off Game the "Broke" Hound upon determining that the speaking Hound is wrong, will hunt our Truck! If a Hound is in Dads truck past two years old it will be Pressure Broke. Where we hunt there is too big a chance for a pack of Deer Dogs(these may be running a Deer, Coyote, Fox or Sissoring) to come through where we may be trailing a Cat and pick up a Hound that is not Pressure Broke.

Dads Breaking theories and techniques are discussed in other threads!

OOPS sorry did not mean to lecture!
C. John Clay
Dads dogboy

john. are u trying to say dewy would stir the pot. NEVER. the problem we are having is that it has been raining to much and dewy is spending to much time in the house. it is interesting seeing how people think tho.
rob

If a hound is ran from a young dog with good broke dogs it sure makes a big difference as they seem to be less apt to run off game I will still run a shock collar on my young hounds just to make sure and be able to correct any problems that arise from trash to not minding. I myself in my older years am getting very picky who I hunt with as when you start mixing other dogs into your hunt things can go wrong fairly quick. Andy

A broke dog would be a dog that either finished every track it started with the preferred game or was at least on a track that you were 100% certain was of preferred game. If you were on dry ground and your dog started a track, but did not finish it. You would have no idea if you had just had a trash race or not, unless you could see the tracks of the pursued game where the dog ended.





Tyler

Tyler can you watch a dog on track or listen to a dog and tell what he is running, good game or off game without seeing the track? Dewey

Broke! Most of the time, my pay check is spent before it comes in and my dogs are lucky to have a little cover on their ribs. I broke a few bones over the years as well as a few clay pigeons, some hearts, even had mine broke a time or two, broke a few of the old ladies dishes, mother broke a few willows sticks a cross my back side, broke down in Kingmen Arizona, broke my favorite fish pole, broke the back window of a fifty seven Chevy pick up with my air rifle I think that when the willow stick came into play, broke the neighbors dog from shitting on my lawn, broke bread with some good friends, broke open a million sticks of fire wood, broke a filling on a beer cap, but I guess that's not what your asking.

If a hound it geared to trail and run a track there is no reason to let them piss around on off game. It will cause problems forever and they will back slide with any introduction of new hounds or when they get a wild hare up their butt at least once or twice a year. I can say that I am at stage One with most of my hounds and stage three with a couple according to the clay standards. Did I mention that I broke a couple shocking systems.

sourdough

Andy, I am fairly new to this 4 or 5 years. Not many hound guys in this area, but you sure are right about runnin dogs with others. The surest way to get a trash race goin. Why is that? I let mine run some coon, but prefer to chase cats. The guys Ive ran with are mostly the same, but you turn dogs out with new dogs and its like everything changes. Ive honestly seen my dogs do things they normally dont do in the company of different dogs. And I know mine are as guilty as the others. Seems like a competion thing to me. Anyways, the darn coyotes are my biggest problem, and these cats in these parts run a lot like coyotes at times.

I was hoping to get more responses. As we know broke means a lot of different thing to different people' To me it means broke to the point of what am I willing to tolerate from a dog. Some things that I put up with the next guy may not. I want my dogs to be easy to handle. mind stay on the game that I hunt and catch it consistently. As far as broke from off game I only run bobcats so it is a lot easier. I had a old bounty lion hunter tell me long ago on one the first lions that I killed tell me now you are going to have to watch your dogs because they will trash, you have gave then permission to run any thing. As the years went by I understood what he was trying to tell me. Anytime that I went and treed a lion somebody or changed from bear to cats that is when they would run off game. As said when you mix dogs you will have more off game running very true. I love the social aspect of hounding but do not let people run with me it just cause to many problems, trash running,any time you mix males you may have domineering problems. How to brake a dog? As far as trash goes if they are raised right there is very little. My young dogs are run lose at all times with the old dogs when I walk hunt. By the time the are old enough to run there own track they now what is good game. They are broke to the buzz, when I see a pup getting flighty on trash they are buzzed and cone to me. They may only be shocked one or twice in there life on off game but never before they know what I want of them. By a year old most of my dogs will not run anything but a cat. There is one major problem with this way it works for me but not for most people and the dog are never truely broke. If they are mixed with dogs that run off game they will run it. They have been given permission to run. I do not set dogs up to shock on off game unless I have a real problem dog[ dumb] or I got it from someone at a older age. The setting dogs up, shocking on the box that so many people do is for for the person satisfaction not getting into the dogs way of thinking. I have done it all, through the years. A dog can be set back a long ways with miss use of the shocking collar. If your home work is done there is little use for the collar in the field but always have one on them. Never ask a young dog something you can not enforce. Dewey

Dewey, very well wrote. the things you said & the order in which you put them had me rocked back in my chair nodding. The shocking collar thing, I am guilty of this, this season. I was impatient and tried to force a young started dog into my pack to soon, to fast and expecting to much from him to early. not a day goes by that I dont look at that dog and wish I would have taken a different approch with him. For me the collar is the last resort, a when all else fails option. Why I didnt take my own advice on this one beats the hell out of me, now all I can do is chalk it up as a learning experience. I,m sure we are all guilty of this in one form or another, It had just been awhile for me. You have started a few good topics & I would have enjoyed joining in. But I failed to produce an exceptable locate-tree dog this season. I relied on old talker most times to much. He should have enjoyed retirement this season. So we(him and I) have been out training his replacement. thankyou for all the good hard earned knowledge. John.