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are the occassional brown spots that show up on bluetick pups (typically less than 3% of pups) from recessive english fox hound gene?...the brown spots are typically accompnied with tan speckling, blue eyes and pink nose...but all marking in same location as bluetick

At one time your Blueticks Walkers and English were all lumped together. While not common these days years ago every now and then a Redtick would show up in a litter of Blueticks also ticked up pups in litters of Walkers.

Al

thanks; in recent litter 50% of pups had redticking (picture attached); both parents are 13th generation blueticks (picture attached). The grandparents breeder had never seen that high a percent.

wow...i've never seen a bluetick colored up like that...looks like a liver-spotted german short-hair. i wonder if it's just a dilution or mutation of the black gene like happens in the black and tans and walkers sometimes.

some folks call them livor ticks

I don't have any answers and am sure a geneticist would have a hard time tracking down answers. I am sure some of it is X breeding either known or unknown by the breeders. However some of it just isn't and I have noticed brown showing over black much more often then used to be common of course many people are more open about these dilute colors or off colors then before when those pups would have been culled or given away as unknown parentage pups. I don't think its a huge deal. But don't think it should be a deciding factor in breeding unless both hounds are good. Just as splitting breeds by color was pointless now you can find people breeding each breed on both extremes from trail hounds to coondogs. Then folks mixing the two cause they're both registered and getting neither parents traits or a mixture that won't breed through the next genetration

The parents have same father, smokey river jake, who sired over 400 pups and breeder said seen less than a dozen with red ticking...maybe the inbreeding increased its occurrence...the sire is larger with lighter ticking leaning him towards the english traits

I do not know what smokey river jake goes back to but I would almost bet there is some smokey river tramp which I have been told threw quite a few liver pups. I know a guy who bred two pop a top bred blues together and got several liver pups. Hope I don't start a but my money is on a german short haired pointer being in the wood pile

alot of strong resemblence; going back three generations no smokey river tramp but in sire and dam's there is smokey river: jbs cheif, snap, ok kate, bb's j-bell, ok frosty, jeans, blue ruby, outlaw pete, spud, be's blue jean and blue outlaw pete

one of the female liver and one traditional color went to auburn univeristy canine national defense training porgram; per the director they will be first blueticks in the program; and will provide updates every six month; it is a year program and then deployed into government service...in addition to a good nose, socialization is very important part of the program (large crowds in airport explosive detection, tanks and machine gun fire in middle east during ied detection, etc).

I get liver ticks in some of my litters.My dogs are heavy Smokey River.Some of the old breeders told me the liver comes from the old Birdsong dogs.Some of them were registered as English Coon and Fox Hounds.I'm not really sure where it came from but it is there for a reason and I like to see it because the litters that have liver pups all seem to make dogs.

Glynn Holmes
www.tellsblueticks.webs.com

I agree, my dogs professional trainer was one of first to get a livertick pup and she said is one of smartest pups she's trained

That Redtick pup is a throwback to the old days when Blueticks Walkers and English were all lumped together as English. I have been hunting and breeding English hounds for quite a few years and I have both Redtick and Bluetick colored dogs along with the occasional open spotted Walker look showing up in my litters.

One of the things I always liked about the English hounds that they are not hindered by a strict breed color standard, Redtick, Bluetick and open spotted colored pups will all be accepted for registration.

Al

Take a look at this guy I got out of one of my litters a few years back, I call him the California Kid, he is registered Engish and is of Hardtime, Junior, and Boyd's Little Joe breeding. I have had this line for near 30 years now and most of these Hounds come either the typical Bluetick or Redtick color with an occasional open spot similar to a Walker. This hound is so heavily ticked up that everything ran together producing a solid buckskin color, never have seen another like him.

Al Kranbuhl

I have a heavy Smokey River bred female here and she has some liver ticking to her. I have heard that it comes from the Smokey River dogs.

Hazel Hill, the red ticking gene being in the smokey river lineage matches up; hercules is now six months old and attached are a few updated pictures; he is as good as his bluetick dad and we harvested several deer in front of him this year; per his gps collar he covers over 25 miles per day; and he is very calm, obedient and intelligent, upon command he sits, shakes hands and loads in the truck.

His 13th generation smokey river bluetick parents are due their second litter this month; will be interesting to see how many or if any are red ticked this time; in the first litter 50% were red ticked.