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I have a young plott we are new to bear hunting by our selfs, have a couple years hunting with other people but got tossed when I decided to get my own. I am looking for an older dog to help teach us for some reason local hunters are not into helping teach new guys, So if you have one or a couple older dogs you are looking to get rid of them up in the north east or you hunt S. Vermont and are willing to help us learn we are very willing to learn but looking to have fun. Prefer dogs that dont have problems around young children and coming in the house. I dont have alot of money but have a new sig p220 willing barter Thanks Rob You can call me at (802) 875-2688 Also willing to travel a few hundred miles for dogs Hope some one can help.


EVERY TIME I SEE SOMETHING LIKE THIS IT MAKES ME SICK

i always feel that a golden opportunity is lost to add another houndsmen or woman to support our sport. but then also realized after thinking that there is enough blame for both the new comer and the veteran houndsmen. which prompted me to put pen to paper about this topic. first to the newcomer there are things that you have to understand and be willing to accept and do. this is only (my) thoughts. first i would recommend having your own shocking collar. second only expect to take one dog while you are getting your experience. and you will have to be willing to correct your hound when asked to do so by the person you are trusting to teach you the ropes. third i would probably not be to anxious to be laying out the format for the process. all to many times i see on this forum new comers being to quick to tell many with extreme knowledge who might be having a slight dissagreement with others of equal knowledge. say that they are not on here to hear their the slight bickering. they are hear to learn. i guess this attitude comes from the generation of all getting trophys and awards. which also leads to telling the teacher how to do the teaching. and in reality is unacceptable. for the old timers. if you are so worried about taking a new commer and one strange hound, for fear of ruining your pack. you are probably not feeding quit as talented hounds as you think. and probably should reevaluate your training methods. this is just how i feel but was wondering how others felt. because i feel none of us should miss the chance to get others involved. take care!

i see your point on both sides. from where im sitting it is a double edge sword . i like helping people see there first critter in a tree and see the dogs work and so on. they get all jacked up and say im getting dogs this is awsome . around here i have seen a ton of new hunters start out guns a blazen. get the 2000 dollar dog box , new tires , all the tri tronics , the latest tracking equitment . get a dog and hunt it for a couple months then it sits on the chain for 3 years. i bet 1 out of 20 actully stick with it long enough to make a dog and stand the test of time so to speak. if they do make it then u have compition in all your spots . as much as i like to see others hunting i dont like seeing them where i hunt . jmo. i do like seeing the ones burn out after 2 month . u can pick up some nice gear for cheap.

jc

coastrangecathunting wrote:i see your point on both sides. from where im sitting it is a double edge sword . i like helping people see there first critter in a tree and see the dogs work and so on. they get all jacked up and say im getting dogs this is awsome . around here i have seen a ton of new hunters start out guns a blazen. get the 2000 dollar dog box , new tires , all the tri tronics , the latest tracking equitment . get a dog and hunt it for a couple months then it sits on the chain for 3 years. i bet 1 out of 20 actully stick with it long enough to make a dog and stand the test of time so to speak. if they do make it then u have compition in all your spots . as much as i like to see others hunting i dont like seeing them where i hunt . jmo. i do like seeing the ones burn out after 2 month . u can pick up some nice gear for cheap.

jc

As far as those people go, thats who's selling all of the used gear in good shape for cheap so i say go ahead and let em buy all the top of the line stuff and hock it on here so i can have good equipment for less If they do make it though there is a chance of "territory" problems, just dont take them to any of your honey holes and they can go on about their business.

EVERY TIME I SEE SOMETHING LIKE THIS IT MAKES ME SICK

the above sentence was just a figure of speech. guess i have to be carefull broadcasting over this computor i guess one could understand the two reply's. as the man upstairs doesen't apear to be creating anymore open spaces, and it is getting a little conjested. but i think even if we end up helping others out.and then running into them while out hunting, i think as long as we all do less shooting and more praising the dogs at the tree. there would be enough game around to enjoy running our hounds. but in reality i guess a person should only be concerned with passing it on to the youth. for as Big N Blue has stated losing our hunting rights has nothing to do with the amount of people that enjoy our sport. for if only one person in the usa wanted to run hounds. his or her right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happyness should not be infringed on. and B&B has said countless times this can only be taken care of by voting the BUMS out. and i guess i lose track of this and think we have to build an army and out number the opposition. but i guess if there was only one that enjoyed the sport, he or she should not be trampled on. take care!

JMO...I think for most hunters the big part of the problem is that most veteran doggers have worked hard to learn where to find game consistently so this brings the hesitation to let new hunters join in due to fear that they will kill out the game or just be a nuisance.

So with that said this is what I do to help new hunters...I give them the best advice I can regarding their questions in failure or frustration, and eventually they will ask to go on a hunt, so I reply, "yes lets go, but...you tell me where to meet you and where were going to hunt, so do your homework and find some game, and Ill bring the older dogs"...A small percentage will make the effort go fourth with this, while the rest never do. By doing this im trying to help, but still keeping my hunting spots mine.

bency wrote:JMO...I think for most hunters the big part of the problem is that most veteran doggers have worked hard to learn where to find game consistently so this brings the hesitation to let new hunters join in due to fear that they will kill out the game or just be a nuisance.

So with that said this is what I do to help new hunters...I give them the best advice I can regarding their questions in failure or frustration, and eventually they will ask to go on a hunt, so I reply, "yes lets go, but...you tell me where to meet you and where were going to hunt, so do your homework and find some game, and Ill bring the older dogs"...A small percentage will make the effort go fourth with this, while the rest never do. By doing this im trying to help, but still keeping my hunting spots mine.

Well said B', and a good strategy, both to see how serious the newbie is and to maybe find new areas!

I'm a 4 yr newbie, haven't really treed anything (the 'coon was already in the tree) but have been on some good bobcat chases (visually verified). I asked to go early in my days, and the request fell on deaf ears. I knew why though and didn't take it personal.

I think another good idea would be for the ol' timers to offer to just evaluate a dog, that's all I would really want.

dubl_t wrote:I think another good idea would be for the ol' timers to offer to just evaluate a dog, that's all I would really want.

Hard to evaluate a dog on only a couple hunts, imo. But would be good to know if it has "potential".

Bency I think you hit the nail on the head, finding the game is the biggest barrier for a new guy. I think the best thing for a new guy is if you do take one, take them well out of your own comfort zone areas.