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greed or just killing
Posted: Sat Feb 01, 2014 3:27 pm
by southern fox
I fox hunt and bobcat hunt here in south Ga , we don't have a lot of fox here expecially in the woods where I hunt for the reason of feed is not as easy to get in the woods as it is up around someones house , so I buy fox from several different trappers, they catch them in box traps so there feet are not messed up, I don't want to kill a fox cause being there is not that many here, well the other day my daughter called me and asked me , she wanted to know if I had bought fox and put them in that club, cause there was a guy on face book that had pictures of to fox he had killed , with a game call on that hunting club, this guy knew what I did, been feeding them for years, and also buying fox and putting in there to run not kill !! one wonders why when they know what you do why slip around and do this ! I think its all about killing something, cause he is not going to eat a fox, just throw it away , has no respect for anyone or the animal , makes me sick to my stomach to know no one gives 1 dam about others anymore, it all about ones self, I have killed bunches of deer , turkeys, hogs, and I was always taught to eat what 1 kills , respect others like u would want to be, and leave something for the next generation ! if there wasn't seasons man would surley wipe everything out because he can! im no activist against hunting I will always make my stand on right and wrong, just leave a little for our children
Re: greed or just killing
Posted: Sat Feb 01, 2014 6:13 pm
by Jkohnke
I feel your pain southernfox. I feel that way about coyotes and fox. Never shot one in my life. Dogs killed a few. We've turned fox out just like you have. I don't get to bent out of shape when someone shoots a coyote ahead of the dogs while deer hunting because there seems to be plenty. But fox are a different story very few around here and they seem to have a hard time making I guess. Most all our deer clubs that run dogs also are fox/coyote hunters and they don't bother them. I guess people just like killing stuff. When I coon hunted I looked up and shined a many a ringtail petted up the dog and walked away. My theory on fox ,coyote and coon was if I kill him ill never run him again. The furs not worth anything here so what's the use. But I know the kind of people your dealing with we got em here too.
Re: greed or just killing
Posted: Sat Feb 01, 2014 7:52 pm
by Dale T
You see it all over the internet a couple of guys with there dogs and a pile of coons then after a few times out they can't figure out where all the coons have gone, I've seen the same thing with bears here in Ca. a few years back guy's would keep taking bears from the same area and then by mid season they can't find a track and don't know where all the bears have gone, we might not be the smartest bunch, but come on!
Re: greed or just killing
Posted: Sat Feb 01, 2014 9:08 pm
by southern fox
they all a bunch of greedy hogs just want to kill something cause they can, and then waste it, and they wonder why the antis are always crying !!! about a month ago I was riding down a dirt road right down the road from where I live, somebody had killed a six pt, and 2 does cut the hams and the back straps off and threw the rest side the road for everybody to see, it was a shame at the wasted meat, and right down the road was a housing development with probably a 1000 houses in it, and then people wonder why they get come down on, and somebody always gunning for them , I watched 2 cars pull over and look, and both had women and children in them, now every hunter gets a bad rep for it aint no telling what the mamas told those children
Re: greed or just killing
Posted: Sat Feb 01, 2014 10:03 pm
by 1bludawg
I think some people learn over time that if they want something to hunt in the future they need to conserve now.I'm proud to say that i know several guys who leave cat up EVEN during kill season .I wish more were like that.Fur prices(cat )have been pretty high for the last few years and i don't know about anyone else but i wish they weren't worth a penny.
Re: greed or just killing
Posted: Sat Feb 01, 2014 10:24 pm
by Dale T
southern fox wrote:about a month ago I was riding down a dirt road right down the road from where I live, somebody had killed a six pt, and 2 does cut the hams and the back straps off and threw the rest side the road for everybody to see, it was a shame at the wasted meat, and right down the road was a housing development with probably a 1000 houses in it
People don't understand how close the step is from non-hunter to anti-hunter!
Re: greed or just killing
Posted: Sat Feb 01, 2014 10:35 pm
by Jkohnke
My dad always says your not gonna change anti hunters or anti hound hunting people's mind. But the non hunter who is in the middle is who you don't want sway the other way. My daddy always took deer meat and offered it to the people who's land we hunted around that were not hunters. Just trying to stay in graces with them. When people kill and kill like there's always gonna be more and have no regard for conserving a little that's what gets all in trouble with not having game to hunt and stirring the anti and non hunter up.
Re: greed or just killing
Posted: Sat Feb 01, 2014 11:15 pm
by radar
Greed or just killing? It seems to me from what I read here. Is, your taking mother nature into your own hands. If you believe that there is not many gray fox around do to lack of feed. Then why populate the area more? So they would starve to death? If he was doing this outside of season, I could see your frustration. But calling in an animal and shooting it, is a highly used technic of hunting and is obviously successful. I feel what you mean about the "eat what kill" but, does the trappers your buying fox from, eat all their harvest? I doubt it. A scavenger got an easy meal that night.
Hope this doesn't piss any body off, I mean no harm.

Re: greed or just killing
Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2014 12:45 am
by Rimrock
Is it legal to trap and relocate animals in Georgia?
Re: greed or just killing
Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2014 1:00 am
by Jkohnke
Don't know about Ga. But it doesn't state anywhere in the trapping laws in ms where you can't. Fox coyote beaver hog skunk are considered predatory nuisance animals in ms and may be hunted or trapped all year long. We have enclosed coyote and fox running pens here that are permitted by the state and they are stocked with coyote and fox that were trapped.
Re: greed or just killing
Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2014 12:49 pm
by southern fox
radar I see what your saying and u don't piss me off, you are 100% right on what you say, but here is the deal, about 5 years ago had a bunch in a club right next to the one I am in that poisoned and tried to kill every predator they could, think their objective was hogs cause they were loaded at the time, had a buddy of mines hounds get into it, wiped him out, lost 6 head that night in the dog box, trying to get to the vet, that's one of the reasons we have no fox or didn't have, so we put them back, not that the land cant support them there just was none due to what they did, and they had been doing it, cause for several years before we found it there were no fox, grey fox likes to have easy pickins or seems like he does, that's why there are more around houses and HI ways than are where he has to work to catch a rat, town is loaded with them cause of scraps trash getting threw out rats everything there easy pickins ,
Re: greed or just killing
Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2014 8:00 pm
by radar
And people say hunters aren't conservationist,pssshh. Looks like your doing your woods a favor

Re: greed or just killing
Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2014 8:13 pm
by scrubrunner
I feel your pain Southern Fox. The fox hides here are not worth anything so back in the 70's the fox hunters got together and proposed to the game dept. to put fox on a protected (sporting animal) classification. They agreed if fox hunters agreed to buy hunting licenses to run fox. All parties agreed and it was done. Now 25 to 30 years later none of them ( game dept.) seem to remember why any of this was done and you would not believe how many times this law has been used against hunters ie: anyone catching hounds even while dodging cars on a highway are participating in the hunt and must have a license, if you call with a turkey call even for a kid or first time hunter you have to have a license. if you bait someone else's fish hook you are required to have fishing license and they always cite back to fox hunters buy license with no expectation of harvesting or possessing game. Sorry I got off the subject it just reminded of a pet peeve ! Be very careful when dealing with game depts. they will use things that seem good at the time to bite you in the butt down the road in more ways than you can imagine!!!!