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I have two walker pups 1 1/2 years old. If i put them on a track they will run it together. But if I free cast them they won't honor each other. They are both real independent, is there a way to teach them to honor another dog. I know they are just pups. Trying to get my head around if i can teach this. Or if it's just something that will come with age.

Thanks Brock

I'm going to say it will come with age. When one of them start's a track I would hope the other come's right in to join. They'll learn to trust each other as long as there starting good tracks.

What is their breeding? Walkers use to be known for working extremely well in and as a pack but the competition hunters don't want that.They want them to get off by themselves and tree the the coon alone .

Hard to say some bloodlines are bred for there independent characteristics. Hunted with a man this wk that told me he hated his dog to tree with another dog. But that's the difference in competition an pleasure I'd rather hear um all put a lil effort in on the track an all be treed when I get there. Jmo


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There mom is from Mike Kemp. The father is from Andy twist topper again offspring

Try a light buzz on ecollar or just tone button if done at right time it can help some hounds. Andy

With the Kemp in them should make them honor each other. I would free cast one at a time and turn the other into the start dog. We always try to cast our pups into the start dogs from across the canyons to teach this. I don't believe either of their breeding is for independent dogs. I think it has more to do with how you are teaching them.

Mic O'Brien

Brock, With out seeing them hunt or knowing anything about them, I'm just guessing here but I would say that at a 1 1/2 old you have done some trash breaking on them together ? And maybe this is a part of why one will not go to the other. The last thing I would do is use a e-collar to try to fix this problem. If I had this problem I would set me some traps and catch me a couple of trainers , And take them out together holding one back but letting him watch as you turn the trainer loose with the other dog being held back just enough to give the trainer a head start once the first dog is out of site turn the 2nd dog into him. Then with the other trainer do it the other way letting the dog that was held back the first time be the one to go first may take a time or two but I'm sure you get the picture . Sound like a little bit of work , But who ever said hound hunting was easy... Good luck hope it all works out for ya.

Have never tried to teach a hound to honor another, just can/t see how an ecollar could be used, unless you tone the dog to come to you & turn him into the other after making him stand & listen. Just my thoughts Al

Jeff Eberle wrote:Brock, With out seeing them hunt or knowing anything about them, I'm just guessing here but I would say that at a 1 1/2 old you have done some trash breaking on them together ? And maybe this is a part of why one will not go to the other. The last thing I would do is use a e-collar to try to fix this problem. If I had this problem I would set me some traps and catch me a couple of trainers , And take them out together holding one back but letting him watch as you turn the trainer loose with the other dog being held back just enough to give the trainer a head start once the first dog is out of site turn the 2nd dog into him. Then with the other trainer do it the other way letting the dog that was held back the first time be the one to go first may take a time or two but I'm sure you get the picture . Sound like a little bit of work , But who ever said hound hunting was easy... Good luck hope it all works out for ya.

Jeff I have been thinking I would try this method for awhile. I have been trash breaking them off of deer together. I will try to do the rest of the trash breaking separate.The pups have been together the whole time since birth. I kinda dug a big grave getting two pups from the same litter. But I wouldn't have it any other way. It has tested my patience for the best though. We caught our first cat Thursday, not a bobber like I had hoped but they did good on the lion.

Not rocket sience guys. You can do it either with walking with the dogs on a track when one hangs up when the other is opening moving out tone the dog that is hung up and not honoring the other dog some dogs will stop and listen or break their focus enough to pay attention of what the other dogs is doing.Like I said it works on some not all. Same goes if you are watching garmin and can hear what dogs are doing if one hangs up and other is opening up moving out hit the tone. This is ment for a dog that is hanging up on a track and not honoring a dog that is opening and moving the track out. A dog that just won't go to other dogs that is just getting turned in while I would turn them lose together. Andy

Dogs are pretty sharp and will figure this out without the tone or slight juice....The breeding should over come what has been done by trash breaking them together. My dogs are all similar bred hounds to yours and are sensitive to the shocker, I can completely shut mine down with the tone solo and about break them in two, so use sparingly!

I reserve my tone for the command come or stop....That button is all I need to have my dogs fall off the treed cat and follow me out to my truck and used only if they fail to respond by going back to the tree, I use the tone and if I get a hundred yards and a dog tries going back against the tone? then I use what ever level of correction until the dog responds. I can't remember having to turn up the juice with this method.

My leads all collect dust and seldom ever used. Hounds should hunt for you not the other way around. My hounds all know the tone is the calm before the big storm and rarely must I use anything beyond the voice and tone.....I figured out a hound can turn it on, it can turn it off without ruining your hound...Keep hunting them and they will figure it out....The less you use your e-collar the better off you will be.

The issue I have with the tone button is when I want to correct only one dog and if two dogs are close by each other? both get the same treatment, that problem has now been solved with the vibrate mode on the Alpha that will replace my tone when hunting. You young guys can fight your hounds by dragging them to the truck but when you get older, this is one you will appreciate the most!

Kudos to you on your making your own hounds.....I make all my hounds from scratch and never let anyone convince you that you need a trained hound to catch game or the dog can't be self taught how to rig etc. If you questions this, ask yourself how the first ever hound learned to locate bobcats in big timber and how about the first rig dog, how did it figure the game out? Yes sometimes you take the long way around the barn but it is worth it in the end..Once you make the first one the rest come easier! Good luck!

Very well said Mike. X2

I also have the Alpha system and I also don't drag my hounds off the tree they follow me out without leashes. I am way to short tempered to use tone or vibrate. If I have a sticky tree dog or any other situation I start at medium 2. If that doesn't work it's fry time. I am down to 5 dogs right now and most of the time they all get run at the same time and I don't have the patience to switch through the dogs toning them, so when a dog needs discipline he gets it.
I never had a dog that wouldn't honor my other dogs but I have run with guys that have dogs that think they have to run the track themselves. I can see how twist's method of toning could work the way he explained it. I think a lot of time dogs that get behind straddling the track is because they are to focused on the track and unaware of what's going on around them and if you can break that focus it could help. I like my dogs at the front drifting the track and fighting for the lead.

I have been on alot of them very hard with a hot collar for running trash , have made a many where they wouldn't go to another hound , put one or the other in the truck , leave him in there , don't turn him out , until the other is running, if he wont go box him back up, let him soak, till he seems like he is going to turn the truck over, he will go to him sooner or later, cause its in him to , try to get very close to the race preferably when he crosses the road and might have to give him the boot not the collar ,