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Red Bones

Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 7:25 pm
by twilli
Looking for a breeder of red Bone hounds in MT that use there dogs mainly for cats. Heard of a breeder out Helena way but do not know his name. Any personal experiences from the recommended breeders would be appreciated .

thanks , Tom

Re: Red Bones

Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 8:41 pm
by Dexter
Mark Bates

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Re: Red Bones

Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2016 1:25 pm
by twilli
Do you have a phone number and can you tell me anything about his dogs ?

Re: Red Bones

Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2016 2:51 pm
by MTbluetick
Give Kevin Jackson a call

Re: Red Bones

Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2016 2:59 pm
by nidaho
i have on that was sired by kevin jacksons male, he is a year and a half and doing very good on lions, not super good on bobcats yet. he also did good during bear season. very well built and has a good temperament. he just started to come on this season have high hopes for him next year.

Re: Red Bones

Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 3:30 am
by Kevin Jackson
Nidaho, did you get a Buddy x Maci pup? Glad to hear he is doing good on lion and bear. The bobcat should come with hunting. Don't see many year and a half old dogs that are bang up bobcat dogs. How many bobcats have you had him on?

Re: Red Bones

Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 3:39 am
by Kevin Jackson
Twilli, my number is at the bottom of my post. I'm night calving up in the mountains so don't have phone service. I will be in town Feb. 3rd and will have phone service most of the day. Feel free to give me a call.

Re: Red Bones

Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 1:08 pm
by nidaho
kevin he is out of the female you breed in Hamilton mt. I don't run a lot of bobcats, have caught 3 this year. we just don't have lots of them. I have a pretty young pack my best dog is only 2 and a half, so I only put the redbone down if I think the track is smoking hot. I turn the redbone out on every lion but have only had him on a couple bobcats, probably 9 lions and a 4 bears this last fall. on the bobcats he has run he was looking for the track and actually helping did not over run It to bad. on lions he is very good and has actually treed the cat before my older dogs.all in all he is a very nice hound

Re: Red Bones

Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2016 12:39 am
by Kevin Jackson
He's out of my Billy dog. Thanks for the update. I don't know much about the female your pup is out of. Don't think she got hunted much but I'm pretty sure she was on a few cats. I was curious how those pups turned out. Got any pictures of your dog? I used to run bobcats as much as lions but anymore you can't hardly find a bobcat track to run. They're making a comeback and the fur market is falling out so hopefully there will be a bunch to run again soon.

Re: Red Bones

Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2016 1:13 pm
by nidaho
the only reason I even considered buying him was because of your billy dog, I did do a little research on the female and I thought she had a pretty good pedigree, but pedigrees don't tree cats, when I research your male I knew I was buying one. he is very well behaved around other dogs and he doesn't try to hump everything. he doesn't open off track and trees like a champ. he was a little gamey at first, we had a little correction session that seemed to do the trick.yes I will get some pics of him. I will email them to you this evening, tried posting a pic on here the other day and didn't work out.

Re: Red Bones

Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2016 2:51 pm
by Kevin Jackson
I've been lucky with my pups not being trashy. I start them with good dogs and that seems to help a bunch. My young dog bumped a deer the other morning and ran it for a couple hundred yards then came back to her dad and treed. I should probably invest in a shock collar but I've raised these dogs for five or six generations now and just don't seem to need one. Billy is tight mouthed and absolutely doesn't bark unless he is moving a track and he is a great locating tree dog and when he trees he'll stay for a very long time. He tree a coon on an island once at 10 at night and by the time I found a guy with a boat to get to the island and got to Billy it was around 8 in the morning if I remember right. He was still treeing every breath with a big coon above him. He was the same dog on bobcat, lion, and coon. That dog amazed me at times. Wish he was still young. He was a game changer. His son Buddy is a damn good one and I have a couple grand daughters of Billy too. Thanks for the pictures and for putting the time in with the Billy pup.

Re: Red Bones

Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2016 4:25 pm
by dwalton
Kevin it is good to see someone else on here that believes breeding makes a difference as far as how trashy a pup or dog can or can't be. Why would you want it any other way? I would also venture to say you can read dogs well and are a very good hunter-trainer. Dewey

Re: Red Bones

Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2016 2:11 am
by Kevin Jackson
Tom, I missed your call and lost your number. If you want call again or send me a PM with your number and I'll call you.

Re: Red Bones

Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2016 2:44 am
by Kevin Jackson
Dewey, it's no different than any other trait some lines are trashy as hell and some aren't. If you hunt one from non trashy lines with straight honest dogs there is seldom a bad problem with running junk. I've seen dogs that couldn't be broke of killing skunks or getting into quill pigs or running deer or fox etc. Brains has a lot to do with it too. A smart dog that wants to please me seldom takes much correcting to figure things out. I'm not much of a trainer. My job is to take the dog to the woods and expose it to the desired game, nature does the rest. I don't believe I should have to train a dog to do what should come naturally. If they aren't born with brains, trailing ability, locating ability, and stay treed till I get there they don't live here. Natural ability is far easier than trying to "train". These dogs have taught me far more than I've ever taught them over the last 20 years.

Re: Red Bones

Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2016 2:10 pm
by dwalton
Kevin: I agree with you on the natural ability is the breeding: All a dog has is breeding and training for me. If you take the dog to the woods are not you training him? If you want to hunt lion, bobcat or coons don't you take him to the place that is most likely to have the desired game? Does not your pups know to come when you call or load for you to go hunting? Does not your dog know where you are at and pays attention to you as you walk hunt? I would say your ability to train is a natural thing for you and you do it by hunting your dogs. It is sure a lot easier when you have a well bred dog that learns by hunting and is a willing partner that makes it just an enjoyment to be in the woods with. I would also say you spend a lot of time with your dogs not waiting until kill season to drag them from the chain or kennel to the truck to take hunting.I had an old hunter tell me years ago behind every good dog that I have seen there is a good hunter. A good hunter with a good bred dog is a hard combination to beat. Just my thoughts Dewey