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HEY, JUST SOME THOUGHT ON THE UP COMING ELECTION. AS YOU KNOW THERE ARE SEVERAL HOPEFUL CANDIDATES RUNNING FOR OFFICE. YOU HAVE THE INDEPENDENT PARTY. DEMOCRAT AND REPUBLICAN. SO NOW IT IS TIME TO GET REAL, YOU EITHER VOTE FOR A DEMOCRAT OR A REPUBLICAN, AS GUYS LIKE RON PAUL HAVE AS MUCH CHANCE OF GETTING ELECTED PRESIDENT AS I DO. IF YOU VOTE INDEPENDENT YOU ARE THROWING YOUR VOTE DIRECTLY TOWARDS THE BIGGEST SOCIALIST DEMOCRAT IN THE HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY. I TOO WOULD LIKE TO SEE REAL CHANGE. IT JUST AIN'T GOING TO HAPPEN . VOTING OUT OF THE MAINSTREAM IS DANGEROUS FOR OUR SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS. AS WELL AS OUR NATIONAL SECURITY. EVEN HILLARY LOOKS DAMN GOOD COMPARED TO THE MUSLIM.....GOD BLESS AMERICA..... OH YEAH FOR YOU INDEPENDENTS SAVE YOUR B.S. ABOUT MAKING A STATEMENT. NO ONE IS LISTENING.

Agree 110%!!!!

With all due respect Mike, I believe you are wrong. If you truly believe in your candidate then you should vote for them.

ZACH, I CAN RESPECT YOUR VIEW POINT BUT TOTALLY DISAGREE. THERE WILL NEVER BE IN YOUR LIFE TIME OR MINE ENOUGH FOLKS TO VOTE FOR THE RIGHT CANDIDATE. A GREEN PARTY/ INDEPENDENT. SO REMEMBER AS YOU CAST YOUR NON HYPOCRYTICAL VOTE FOR BRAND X. YOU ARE TAKING A VOTE AWAY FROM A CANDIDATE BEING EITHER DEMOCRAT OR REPUBLICAN, IN ESSENCE YOU SWING THE VOTE TO ELECT A SOCIALIST FOR PRESIDENT. I LIVE IN OREGON A LIBERAL DEMOCRAT STATE THAT HAS BANNED BEAR HUNTING. THERE ARE MORE CONSERVATIVES THAN LIBERALS SO HOW IS IT WE GET KILLED AT THE POLLS. GUYS LIKE YOU WHO DO THE RIGHT THING AND VOTE INDEPENDENT. KEEPING LIBERAL POLITICS ALIVE AND WELL IN OREGON. BESIDES THE REAL CONSERVATIVES ARE BUSY WORKING AND HUNTING AND LOGGING AND FARMING TO WORRY ABOUT POLITICS. I KNOW GUYS LIKE YOU WILL NEVER AGREE. THAT IS THE REASON I DID THIS POST IF I CAN WAKE ONE PERSON UP . WITHOUT PISSING THEM OFF THAN IT IS WORTH IT. SORRY MY FRIEND YOU WILL BE THE REASON AS YOU VOTE INDEPENDENT WE WILL HAVE A ANTI GUN SOCIALIST NEXT PRESIDENT. AND I KNOW YOU DIDN'T SELL OUT YOUR PRINCIPALS, JUST YOUR GUN OWNERSHIP . THAT'S ALL THAT MATTERS.....

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zach. if you are a fiscally conservative you are not a liberal. liberalisms today means hating your country, believing that america is a bad for all its wrong doing. liberalism is the a.c.l.u. thinking that illegal's are entiled to rights. parents have no rights to disipline there children. liberalism is barack, nancy pelosi, harry reed, teddy meister, george i hate america soros. these vermin define the democrat party of today, so if you find this is not you, well guess what you are not a liberal, nor are you a democrat. if you favor more taxation. redistributing wealth, more government(even more than the republicans)partial birth abortion. gun control, gas 10.00 a gallon. big brother knowing better how to run your life than you. than yes you are a democrat, and a liberal. there is no difference by the democrat party standards, most conservative democrats that have been around and stay aligned with there party do so out of loyalty to the party. as the conservatives left that party years ago. you know barack will not pledge alegiance to our countrys flag. he is a muslim. would america have trusted a japaneese president 7 years after the bombing of pearl harbor? you are either dem or repub. thats it america. a vote for ralph nader, ron paul elects the wrong candidate in either the dem or repub. party. i don't want to think about a radical dem muslim running my country. if you think we are in a recession. who has been in control of the house and senate since 2006?the dems say the republicans filibuster? even they have a worse approval rating than w.you are getting a taste of there power right now.where there are no primers or powder....there will be guns. useless guns ...but guns.i have a tough time staying aligned to the republican party but when is see the dems i want to puke. liberalism is a disease of the mind. redneckwoman. have you looked at how obama votes?if you are truly from a logging family like me here in oregon. well you will never see a republican chained to a tree. it is always a liberal democrat. who opposes industry, logging, hunting, fishing, farming. liberal democrats .there is no more democrat party. it is the liberal party. socialist liberal party. zach. rednw. i value your opinions and dialog. feel free to comment back i can take it really.lol....have a good day. mike

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zach. you are on the money. how do the people ever become involved or passionate enough about politics to start making a difference? with me it started in 1994 in my home state. you don't have to lose much from a personal perspective to want to fight back. the thing that i get hung up on is the fact that guys like ron paul will only get a small percentage of the vote . they are non contenders. i think now if ever if the people have not had enough of main stream politics they never will opt for a change. what do you think?as for me i'm in the wood products industry, hound hunting. the oregon democrat party would like to lynch me for destroying the world.your point is well taken, i respect your in depth approach to handling an impossible but necessary belief that we need drastic change. i will give you an example of ignorance on behalf of the oregon voter. democrats get my hound hunting. now the federal government at tax payer expence does all the bear removal in oregon by baiting and cable snaring in the spring . keeping in mind we were put down for taking selectively only adult male bear. cables catch everything sows, cubs. but that is o.k. with democrats because the government is doing it?we were banned for lacking ethics??? not a hard case to defend but our cool-aid drinking governor states it will not change. i will read your information as soon as possible, take care mike

zach, hey i did go thru each of your reads, good stuff. the first thing that comes to mind is would ron paul have been given a look had he not run under the republican platfotm?by certain party definitions i'm a right wing bomb thrower....lol.so i happen to be biased. but not stupid, i will always take good logical debate. ron paul i think will never be taken seriously. that alone tells the whole story of the overall ignorance of the american public. people that say. i have to wait and see how the sheep respond to this candidate. or is he/she trendy. or, or, or, how in the heck do you wake people up?for now i trust my logic that there are only two parties,like it or not mac/palin will get my vote in november. mike

Brilliant posts Mike!! I couldn't have said it better myself!!!

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Zach,
That is just an observation as of late. Look at the last few Democrate hopefulls. Edwards, Clinton, Obama all lawyers and NONE have ever served in the U.S. forces. Now do you want someone to lead our country that can talk a good game or someone who actually KNOWS the game? Lawyers are taught the gift of gab, someone who has served knows what stratidgy works to LEAD our country.

I think my dad is correct in his statement about not trusting either though.

Zach,
Here is some news that warms my heart!

Clinton fundraiser to back McCain - CNN
Wednesday, 17 September 2008 15:48
It is reported that a prominent Hillary Clinton supporter and member of Democrats Abroad is to endorse John McCain in the US Presidential election.

CNN says Lynn Forester de Rothschild is to campaign for the Republican candidate.

In an interview with CNN this summer, Lady de Rothschild did not hide her distaste for Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama.

Advertisement'(F)rankly I don't like him. I feel like he is an elitist,' she said of Senator Obama.

Lady de Rothschild was a major donor for Senator Clinton, earning the title of 'Hillraiser' for helping to raise at least $100,000 (€70,000) for the New York Democratic senator's failed presidential bid.

She is married to international banker Sir Evelyn de Rothschild and divides her time between London and New York.

They were introduced by Henry Kissinger at a Bilderberg conference, an elite invite-only event held at luxury resorts around the world.

CNN reports that her announcement will take place at a news conference at the US Capitol.

Her spokesperson says she will 'campaign and help (McCain) through the election.'

She is the CEO of EL Rothschild, a holding company with businesses around the world.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/0917/uselection.html

Just makes me all warm and fuzzy inside to hear news like this.