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I have been realy engaged with all the bobcat strorys and have noticed something, a bobcat race seems very similar to that of a red fox. (besides treeing) but how the cat will circle and just the race in general sounds similar to me. I have never hunted bobs but thats just what i have noticed. What do you guys think?

They run more similar to a grey fox than anything else. Am not familiar with reds.

Our fox run similar to cats,they don't usually run in the same terrain.Our cats stick to the thick cedar swamps and birch/popple slashes,the red's are more in the open grassy areas and hardwoods.But the types of circles they run are similar,in my area anyway.

I wish I knew more about running fox. I have done it, but not because I intended to.
One thing that gets me ready for correcting my dogs is if I never hear them make a loss at all. I have noticed if they trash on a red it seems like they can hang with it almost as good as they can with a deer race, except deer dont go in holes in the ground.
With my limited experience on fox, that is what I would say is the major difference.

It takes a real experienced dog on bobcat to be able to keep him moving steady with no little breaks for him to increase his space. Even the best dogs will have little moments where they gotta figure something out. The good ones learn from each of those times, and they remember, so those times get shorter and shorter. Never seen that phenomenon on the fox races I have accidentally had. It is the young inexperienced dogs doing the trashing, and they do a pretty good job of keeping things going.

Not all cats will circle. In some regions, they rarely do. It is very common with the great lakes cats though.

david wrote:I wish I knew more about running fox. I have done it, but not because I intended to.
One thing that gets me ready for correcting my dogs is if I never hear them make a loss at all. I have noticed if they trash on a red it seems like they can hang with it almost as good as they can with a deer race, except deer dont go in holes in the ground.
With my limited experience on fox, that is what I would say is the major difference.

It takes a real experienced dog on bobcat to be able to keep him moving steady with no little breaks for him to increase his space. Even the best dogs will have little moments where they gotta figure something out. The good ones learn from each of those times, and they remember, so those times get shorter and shorter. Never seen that phenomenon on the fox races I have accidentally had. It is the young inexperienced dogs doing the trashing, and they do a pretty good job of keeping things going.

Not all cats will circle. In some regions, they rarely do. It is very common with the great lakes cats though.

How many red fox have "YOU" seen caught with a pair of dogs?

I know this is the bobcat section but lets not get crazy gusy. LOL!

I should have capitalized the "seen" also.

One thing that gets me ready for correcting my dogs is if I never hear them make a loss at all

That's funny. Had a few fox races here the last year or two.
Reminds me, I had a buddy out running hare with me one time and being completely clueless he had asked me (being only slightly less clueless ) how I could tell if the dogs were running a hare or a fox. I told him "a fox race sounds like the hare race of your dreams, the best running you've ever heard."
He was quiet for a few moments before he asked "so how come you won't let them run fox?"
If I recall correctly I mumbled something about how the fox would eventually "cut out of Dodge" for greener pastures so to speak. That answer didn't seem to satisfy him though.
Not sure it satisfied me either

Kind of odd, that moment or two where the dogs jump their quarry and start hammering away and as the hunter, you wait with stressed anticipation for that first check to assure yourself the dogs are on the right game, and then turn right around and hold it against the dogs for making a loss, even if it is a short one

i have noticed all across western oregon there are red and grey fox. the grey fox are found in more timber lands, reds are in the timbered farm lands, or large hay fields. first observation i have on most forms of trash the coyote included is this. i have never run one backwards that i'm was ever aware of. while every type of tree game from time to time i have had to deal with this.

once up and rolling along, you will also see that even a mediocre hound won't make a lose on a track. lol...

while rigging over on the coast range for bobcat, i have hit the odd grey fox. the race is consistent with a bobcat race, the only difference is when they start to break down. i never ran a fox in a small circle of about 1/2 acre size a dozen times round and round like a bobcat.

i have treed the odd grey, while the red has run me like a coyote, but the thing i have seen also is both don't leave the country. this allows the hunter the oppertunity to send em' packin back to the rig with a little patients.

my illustrious fox career is limited as is my knowledge of them, this to me is a good thing as they are closer to a coyote than to a bobcat there for on my hit list, they be trash!

If your dogs have never ran a coyote backwards either you have the absolute best coyote dogs that have ever drew a breath or you aint ran enough coyotes to even comment.

once up and rolling along, you will also see that even a mediocre hound won't make a lose on a track. lol...


I seriously need your dogs Mr.

dan. i'm not the trash master that you are! i think if you could read what was printed you would see. limited trash running career! i don't allow a dog very many chances to run off game. i suppose you will tell me the same applies to deer and elk, you run the crap out of them backwards as well. i'll conced this to you! this was just my observations. all i want to confirm is mine are south bound on junk, its over! you wouldn't want my dogs dan, they aren't on a steady trash diet.( red fox, grey fox, coyote)i guess we need to consult those professionals only,those who appreciate a good coyote/ fox hound as i stated, trash!!!!!

Never ran elk. I understand that you have limited experience with running "trash" but you also have a conditions that all humans have. And that is that you will distort your view of a situation cause you dont hold it dear to your heart and you will also cast this particular game animal to the side cause you dont run it so therefore it just has to be inferior to your game of choice.

That would be like me sayin, "man, I wish we had bobcats here so I could run them cause it would be a far cry more enjoyable and easier than what I am doin right now." Before you die, sick some of them top notch dogs on a coyote or red fox and tell me how many of them you catch, sir.

i think if you could read what was printed you would see

By the way, I read very well. I can even sometimes read that shit that aint printed.

Also, I aint pissy about none of this. David is just tryin to cause dissention among the ranks so that I will ran out of the bobcat pack like a cowardly little cur. I got my eye on you David. Quit pickin at me.

dan, let's abandon the pissin post! and quit readin the sh#@ that aint printed. i can tell you that the highest percentage of high ballin bobcat hounds don't have a snow balls chance in hell of running down a yote. what i have seen of my walkers is this, coyote jumped(dogs trashed )coyote actually turns back on the hound during the course of a race to antagonize them into continueing to engage the race. they aren't running scared! it is a game. i have been seriously thinking along the lines of actually running yotes with dogs. i say dogs. if i attempt this it will be with running dogs. just like hunting with hounds. i not in it to just exercise my dogs. no catch the game, no own the dogs. it takes a damn good hound to catch a yote. i have owned just a few in almost 40 years of hunting that actually could. i'm sure there are those who have perfected this. i don't have that kind of time to experiment. my hounds were half a@@ed coyote dogs from the git go. this translates to when they took the odd coyote i wasn't cold trailing much either. i had a good friend who is dead and gone who ran in the big leagues of running dogs for coyotes. when he turned 70 he was wanting my reject walkers. when asked why? his remarks to me were simple. i'm old and just a potlicker hunter and i don't have the stamina for a real coyote hound just a potlicker dog.to really accell on any species, i think front and center you have to select those dogs that are most suited for the game you want to play. that is not to say they wont switch hit, just consistently do it on a daily basis.