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Theres a guy promoting one of those pay to hunt fenced in hunting operations in the hog hunting section. Me personally, I think its a disgrace. Its a hunting antis perfect example for making hunting illegal. You dont even need a hunting licence due to the fact that the hogs cant get out so they are considered livestock not game. It sickens me. Its a testament to lazyness and instant gradification. Why hunt when you can just kill? I would like some feedback. Because I really dispise this kind of shit. Its the same reason I cant watch hunting shows on tv. Its always the same. Some fat son of a bitch sitting in a lay-Z-boy chair in a giant capsule on stilts microwaving a hot pocket drinking a cup of coffie, talking about his super double deluxe anti sent covering automatic gamecaller that beeps when it time to shoot so he dosent have to miss the ballgame on his mini tv. I guess im ranting now. I wont bite your head off but I honestly think these places are really bad for the image of hunters and hunting.

It deepends on how the fencing comes to play. I own a ranch and the only people that hunt it are my family members and people that go with my family members. We respect the animals on our property and because of this we have limited entry. No when you talk about people who have it set up to where there is not really fair chase involved, and that they use loop holes like the classification of live stock, reminds me of just hunting a cow.

In the case im refering to the hogs and whatever buffalo are in a completely contained fenced area where there is no escape. The animals are released onto the property where "hunters" pay to kill the animals.

It depends on how big of a fenced area we are talkin. I have two friends that have done the fenced elk hunt. One wouldn't do it again one would. The one that would is a huntin SOB and he kills quality animals on public land consistently. he said the fenced hunt was no different, jsut bigger options after you found em. the elk were wild and runnin just like in the middle of the forest service lands. The one that wouldn't was on a bit more of a cheesier hunt in a smaller area, but still a hunt according to him. He has hunted from New Zealand to Africa and all over the public lands of Idaho and Montana. He too is a huntin SOB. My advice is don't knock it till ya try it and don't be jealous of someone that can afford to put themselves in a position to harvest a trophy that is almost unobtainable on public lands with a general tag.

I think it depends on the set up. if i use my own land owner tag, that's fenced but not the same as elk in a hundred acre or smaller high fenced game farm.. I've even been by places that were more buffalo/elk feedlots then anything else.and those might as well be slaughter houses far as sport goes, but if we don't agree with them how do we voice that with out wording it so it can be twisted to mean hunting inside any "fence" ? that being said it sure would be ok for ME to have a section full of cats to do a little practice running on for the pups then maybe we would look a little better at the real thing!

Thats my whole point Larry. A trophy is someting you get after hard work. Or a momento of ones personal achevements. Wether its a little statue with "1st place" on it or a full mount bear. Wheres the achevement? There is no achevement in a guarantee? If I go by your reply larry a trophy just a representation of money spent. Please dont take me the wrong way Im trying to antagonize you, but if I didnt earn it I dont want it. That philososphy is what i believe is missing in high fence hunting and many aspects of life in general these days. Im not refering to practice pens for treeing or bay pens for hogs. I understand that certain exotic species cant be released into the wild so I can understand the reasons they MUST be in an enclosure but I cant see any reason besides that.

Bigboarstopper, I own a FAIR CHASE big game outfitting business, but i have a couple of good friends that just opened a high fence ranch in the Tracy area. At first I would have never thought it would work, but these guys put so much work into putting up a fence where most guys wouldnt dare to hike, and a ***load of money in stands, foodplots and animals. And you wouldnt believe all the people that book hunts there. They offer exotics of all sorts and pure European hogs brought in from Canada. I guess what I'm trying to say is that , to each is own, we hunters yes even the high fence warriors are still hunters, need to stick together. I have had some of my fair chase hunters go to the high fence and they really enjoyed it. Also i have two young kids that arent old enough to have licenses yet get there first big game animals there and those memories will never be tarnished by whether there was a fence there or not.

And as for "money spent" i personally know that these guys and most of the hunters that go to their ranch do more for hunting whether its giving money to NRA and other clubs or donating time which you cant put a price on..

Thanks,

Tony Steelman

I cant stand the idea of "hunting" in a fenced area. It reminds me of a lion busting in to a sheep pen and killin the sheep apposed to getting a deer. I know that survival and its an animal and ethics dont apply, just reminds me of that. I'm even against using a feeder or bait for deer and bear, however Ted Nugent put it really good, he said "ya use bait on your line when your fishing dont ya? same thing". That really made sense to me, so im ok with that. As far as hunting where you dont need a license because it so fenced in that its considered livestock, thats just unsporting.

I guess I wasn't specific enough on the word trophy. What I meant to say was that you are gonna have one hell of a time ever, in your entire life, of hunting hard hard hard on public lands in a general tag area killing a 360+ bull elk. Trophy is in the eye of the beholder, but if you want B&C inches and can afford it, I would do it. From what I was told and the pictures and video i saw, no one was walking up to any elk and dumping them next to a feed bucket. The elk ran their giuts outs, just like unfenced elk. So my question is, how many of you that are turning up your noses have ever had the experience of a fence hunt??? Do you even know what you are talking about, or just red with jealousy? There really is no difference IMO in a private lands hunt, which alot more people have the option to do, and a fence hunt. i can take you to numerous ranches with 4 strand barbwire that you can drive right up to 200 class whitey's and mulies. Will Primos might as well be hunting a fence where he goes and makes his elk videos, little belt mountains my ass, private ranch in the little belts is more like it. First videos were on Turners, latest are on the neighboring ranch, the Climbing Arrow, no difference whatsoever then a high fence.

I go along with Huntintony. We have a upland bird hunting preserve. We do everything in our power to make it as natural a hunt as possible. Whats in it for our guests you ask? When they come here they have a definit place to hunt, they have guides and if need be dogs to use, and lodging and meals. We try to learn as much as possible abuot our hunters as we can before they can so that we can provide a hunt to their individual taste and satisfaction. While we can tailer the hunt somewhat, we do not do the shooting and we do not garenttee their take. Some of them have to do a lot of walking and shooting, occassionally the bird dog is starting to give them a dirty look when they miss!
I agree that the challenge is a big part of any hunt and it is hard to see the challenge of shooting a fat steer in a coral. I think you will find though that most game farm managers try to sell a hunt that is challenging and enjoyable. Afterall we are not selling game as much as we are sell entertainment. If we don't do our job we won't have repeat business and for us that is the majority of our business.


Mel

Personaly I have no interest in hunting anything in a fence,I don't care if it is 1 acer or a thousand acers.It wouldn't mean to much to me as a trophy.That being said if any body else want's to do it I could care less,go for it.That to me is the biggest problem with people,every body thinks that thier way is the only way.That's the mentality that the Anti's have because they don't hunt or eat meat or wear fur nobody else should either.I say to each thier own.If someone want's to go out and shoot thier cow and butcher it themselves instead of taking it to a butcher,to get thier winters meat it's OK with me.And then if they want to take it to the taxidermist and get it mounted and call it thier trophy that's fine with me to.Trophy's are in the eye of the beholder, if it is a trophy to you, I'm fine with that.If a guy want's to go out in a fence and shoot a deer and get some meat for winter instead of going to the store who care's.He's going to have to eat something whether he kill's it or sombody else does.JMO.

This is not even a topic. If its fenced in its not HUNTING pierod. Go out and shoot a beef in a field or a hog in a pin is that hunting NO . ther feed and watered in a fenced eare 365 day a year well you know where thier going to be DUUUH.

LDcloud wrote:This is not even a topic. If its fenced in its not HUNTING pierod. Go out and shoot a beef in a field or a hog in a pin is that hunting NO . ther feed and watered in a fenced eare 365 day a year well you know where thier going to be DUUUH.

Well, I tried to paint another point of view, the realistic one, but I see there are still people spewing stupidity and ignorance So I guess I'll steer this one towards the cage and just say that i think I can hear balls hitting LDcloud in the face from where I am sitting right now. Pretty sure he just took a load to the face

This is my take on the matter. I have no opinion on the matter. I don't want/like people giving opinions about hunting with dogs and the ethics of it. So in short, I don't care how others hunt because I like to hunt.

LIKE SAID IN OTHER POST TO EACH HIS OWN LIKE CATCH SAID.

Catch wrote:I don't care how others hunt because I like to hunt.

I THINK ITS HYPOCRITICAL JUST BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO DO IT OR DISAGREE WITH IT DON'T IN ANY WAY MAKE IT WRONG . HUNTING IS HUNTING NO MATTER HOW YOU CHOOSE OR CHOOSE NOT TO DO IT . THE PENS I HAVE SEEN ARE NOT LIKE SHOOTING FISH IN A BARRELL NEXT THING WE WILL SEE ON HERE IS THAT IF YOUR FISHING A BODY OF WATER THAT HAS STOCKED FISH IN ITS NOT FISHING .