How to get CA to allow Mountain Lion hunts?

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Re: How to get CA to allow Mountain Lion hunts?

Postby Rimrock » Fri Feb 03, 2012 10:28 pm

Benny, One of the women that was killed in 1994 had two (I think it was two) children. The lion that killed her was caught and killed. She had two cubs that were found. Trust funds were set up for both the children and the cubs. You guessed it, more money was collected for the cubs than for the children. :(
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Re: How to get CA to allow Mountain Lion hunts?

Postby Dale T » Fri Feb 03, 2012 10:40 pm

Hey Rimrock
I heard the same thing about more money for the cubs than her children, if you do a search of "Mountain Lion Kills Jogger in rare attack " it will pull up the story from 1994
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Re: How to get CA to allow Mountain Lion hunts?

Postby outlaw13 » Sat Feb 04, 2012 12:36 am

There were actually two women killed in california in 1994 by Mt. Lions. One attack happened in April the other in December.

I can not find any supporting evidance that state the 2 cubs recieved more money than the woman's children. Im not saying something like that didn't happen and it very well could have but if it did it just goes to show you the serious decline in moral human judgement as to what people think is more important. If that is an actual fact it is extremely sad on many levels.
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Re: How to get CA to allow Mountain Lion hunts?

Postby RIFLEMAN » Wed Feb 08, 2012 4:02 am

Some things to keep in mind:
1. To even have a remote hope of re-establishing the authority of the Department of Fish and Game and the Fish and Game Commission to manage the mountain lion, you will have to frame the argument so that it is centric to public safety. Simply put, the average voter is an urbanite who could honestly care less about any theories that lions are decimating the deer population (which I, too, believe is a straw man argument.)
2. Any legislative action requires a 4/5 majority of both the Assembly and Senate. That is statistically a very unlikely threshold to ever meet...especially for something as polarizing as the thought of hunting an iconic and predatory animal like the mountain lion. A few years ago, Assemblymember Bill Maze introduced a bill that would establish a system where only two lions could be taken from counties that DFG determined had a healthy lion population, and it never even made it out of committee.
3. The proposition that would designate the lion as a specially protected mammal (117) passed with a very slim margin. After Iris Kenna and Barbara Schoener were killed in '94, the proposition that would allow DFG to manage the lion lost by about 20 points if memory serves me correctly. There have been several more attacks and the death of at least one man (killed by a lion in a park funded by 117 funds...talk about insult to injury), and yet there is insufficient motivation on the part of the public to revisit this topic.
4. The language of 117 was written in such a way that even if successful, future legislation or initiatives would be invalidated. Essentially, 117 says that no law shall be permitted that is contrary to the intent or spirit of 117.
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Re: How to get CA to allow Mountain Lion hunts?

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Re: How to get CA to allow Mountain Lion hunts?

Postby outlaw13 » Wed Feb 08, 2012 9:32 pm

Thought this was kind of interesting and applied to the topic. 4 lions were killed on a ranch in genesee valley, Northern California. I believe the ranch is called the flying G or something. Anyways i was told that it is not a real big ranch which makes it crazy that they took 4 lions off of it. Just goes to show that there is a lot more lions out there than people think.

Mountain lions killed after killing puppy and goats.

There have been several mountain lion sightings in Indian Valley recently, causing some concern among ranchers and residents alike.

A mountain lion was taken under depredation permit Monday, Jan. 23, after it killed a border collie puppy over the weekend in Genesee, and another two lions were killed Wednesday, Jan. 25.

The puppy was taken right off a well-lit porch at the home of Brian and Heather Kingdon early Saturday evening, with adult dogs around and the owners inside watching television.

Another lion that killed goats on a neighboring ranch was still being pursued, according to local Department of Fish and Game (DFG) Warden Kyle Kroll.

Van Probst, well known for his lion tracking abilities and work with landowners and local game wardens, killed the lions.

“I think there’s two yearlings and a female,” Probst said of the first three lions seen in the Genesee area.

He thinks maybe the lion’s offspring have been recently forced out on their own and know where the easy prey is.

Kroll, local game warden formerly of Gilroy, agrees with Probst about there being more than one lion hunting in the Genesee community.

He’s awarded about six to 10 permits a year to residents with lion-versus-livestock problems.

The encounters do not surprise Probst, for he knows the lions will follow the deer down off the mountainsides in the area during periods of bad weather.

He’s received several calls lately about mountain lion sightings in Indian Valley.

“There’s a lot of them out there,” he finished.

Residents have spotted one mountain lion above Williams Valley Road, one at Stampfli Lane near Crescent Mills, and at Christmastime one along North Valley Road, about five miles from Greenville.

No humans have been killed by mountain lions in Plumas County, according to history recorded by DFG, though there have been a few close encounters reported for the region.

One such encounter related by former warden Bob Orange back in 1994 involved a fly fisherman in Yellow Creek who batted a lion about the nose with the tip of his fishing pole while he yelled for help and slowly backed up to where his friend was fishing.

Heather Kingdon reported that another lion was killed Thursday, Jan. 26, bringing the total number of Genesee lions killed under depredation permit to four.

One lion was killed with the puppy in its mouth, and the other three were killed upon returning to the goats they killed in her father’s barn.

“My father has a guard dog,” Kingdon said. “However, she was no match for three to four lions at a time.”

Warden Byron Hernandez, who issued the depredation permits, refused to comment personally, instead directing questions to his department’s official information sources.

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Re: How to get CA to allow Mountain Lion hunts?

Postby Dale T » Sat Feb 11, 2012 2:42 pm

Our $30 million a year at work!

Section 4800 of Proposition 117 specifically classifies mountain lions as "a specially protected mammal under the laws of this state," but this is only prevents them from being shot for sport. To ensure that mountain lions as well as the rest of California's wildlife have a place to exist in the future, Proposition 117, the California Wildlife Protection Act of 1990 allocates $30 million of State funds per year to protect and preserve the State's most critical wild areas.

This allocation, paid for with funds generated through wildlife habitat acquisition bonds, as well as the unused portion of the cigarette tax monies is used for the following purposes:
(a) The acquisition of habitat, including native oak woodlands, necessary to protect deer and mountain lions.
(b) The acquisition of habitat to protect rare, endangered, threatened, or fully protected species.
(c) The acquisition of habitat to further implement the Habitat Conservation Program pursuant to Article 2 (commencing with Section 2721) excepting Section 2722 and subdivision (a) of Section 2723, and Sections 2724 and 2729.
(d) The acquisition, enhancement, or restoration of wetlands.
(e) The acquisition, restoration, or enhancement of aquatic habitat for spawning and rearing of anadromous salmonids and trout resources.
(f) The acquisition, restoration, or enhancement of riparian habitat.

If anybody has questions on where the money is spent you can get a hold of the Mointain foundation at www.mountainlion.org and give em hell!
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Re: How to get CA to allow Mountain Lion hunts?

Postby outlaw13 » Mon Feb 13, 2012 9:30 pm

The mountain lion foundation gets to decide where the 30 million is spent?
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Re: How to get CA to allow Mountain Lion hunts?

Postby Dale T » Wed Feb 22, 2012 3:53 am

PROPOSITION 117
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CALIFORNIA WILDLIFE PROTECTION ACT OF 1990
SECTION 1.
This act shall be known and may be cited as the California Wildlife Protection Act of 1990.
SECTION 2.
Chapter 9 (commencing with Section 2780) is added to Division 3 of the Fish and Game Code, to read:
CHAPTER 9. CALIFORNIA WILDLIFE PROTECTION ACT OF 1990
Article 1. General Provisions
2780. The people of California find and declare all of the following:
(a) Protection, enhancement. and restoration of wildlife habitat and fisheries arc vital to maintaining the quality of life in California. As the state's human population increases, there is an urgent need to protect the rapidly disappearing wildlife habitats that support California's unique and varied wildlife resources.
(b) Much of the states most important deer winter ranges have been destroyed in the last 20 years.
(c) Critical winter ranges of migratory deer in the Sierra Nevada and Cascade mountain ranges are increasingly subject to incompatible land uses. In some counties, over 80 percent of the critical winter ranges fall on these lands. The potential for incompatible land uses on these lands is a major threat to the survival of many migratory deer herds.
(d) Deer, mountain lion, and other wildlife habitat within the Sierra Nevada, Cascade, Coast Range (including the Santa Lucia Mountains in Monterey County along the Central Coast), Siskiyou and Klamath Mountains; and the Santa Susana, Simi Hills, Santa Monica, San Gabriel, San Bernardino, San Jacinto, Santa Ana and other mountains and foothill areas within southern California, is disappearing rapidly. Small and often isolated wildlife populations arc forced to depend upon these shrinking habitat areas within the heavily urbanizing areas of this state, Corridors of natural habitat must be preserved to maintain the genetic integrity of California's wildlife.

(e) This chapter shall be implemented in the most expeditious manner. All state, officials shall implement this chapter to the fullest extent of their authority in order to preserve, maintain, and enhance California's diverse wildlife heritage and the habitats upon which it depends.

2781. The people of California find and declare that wildlife and fisheries conservation is in the public interest and that it is necessary to keep certain lands in open space and natural condition to protect significant environmental values of wildlife and native plant habitat, riparian and wetland areas, native oak woodlands, and other open-space lands, and to provide opportunities for the people of California to appreciate and visit natural environments and enjoy California's unique and varied fish and wildlife resources.

It is the intent of the people, in enacting this chapter, that additional funds are needed to protect fish, wildlife. and native plant resources and that the Legislature should provide those funds through bond acts and other appropriate sources.

Article 2. California Wildlife Protection

2785. The following definitions govern the construction of this, chapter:

(a) "Acquisition' includes but is not limited to gifts, purchases, leases, easements, the exercise of eminent domain if expressly authorized, the transfer or exchange of property for ocher property of like value, transfers of development rights or credits, and purchases of development rights and other interests.

(b) "Board" means the Wildlife Conservation Board.

(c) "Fund" means the Habitat Conservation Fund created by Section 2786.

(d) "Local agency" means a city, county, city and county, or a district as defined in subdivision (b) of Section 5902 of the Public Resources Code.

(e) "Riparian habitat" means lands which contain habitat which grows close to and which depends upon soil moisture from a nearby freshwater source.

(f) "Southern California" means the Counties of Imperial. Los Angeles, Orange, Riverside, San Bernardino. San Diego. Santa Barbara, and Ventura.

(g) "Wetlands" means lands which may be covered periodically or permanently with shallow water and which include saltwater marshes, freshwater marshes, open or closed brackish water marshes, swamps. mudflats, fens, and vernal pools.

2786. Except as otherwise expressly provided in paragraph (3) of subdivision (a) of Section 2787, the money in the Habitat Conservation Fund, which is hereby created, shall be used for the following purposes:

(a) The acquisition of habitat, including native oak woodlands, necessary to protect deer and mountain lions.

(b) The acquisition of habitat to protect rare, endangered, threatened, or fully protected species.

(c) The acquisition of habitat to further implement the Habitat Conservation Program pursuant to Article 2 (commencing with Section 2721) excepting Section 2722 and subdivision (a) of Section 2723, and Sections 2724 and 2729.

(d) The acquisition, enhancement, or restoration of wetlands.

(e) The acquisition, restoration, or enhancement of aquatic habitat for spawning and rearing of anadromous salmonids and trout resources.

(f) The acquisition, restoration, or enhancement of riparian habitat.

2787. Notwithstanding Section 13340 of the Government Code. the' money in the fund is continuously appropriated, without regard to fiscal years, as follows:

(a) To the Department of Parks and Recreation, four million five hundred thousand dollars (4,500,000) annually for allocation as follows:

(1) One million five hundred thousand dollars ($1,500,000) for projects that are located in the Santa Lucia Mountain Range in Monterey County for expenditure by the Department of Parks and Recreation and for grants to the Monterey Peninsula Regional Park District.

(2) One million dollars ($1,000.000) for acquisitions in. and adjacent to, units of the state park system.

(3) Two million dollars ($2,000,000) for 50 percent matching grants to local agencies for projects meeting the purposes specified in Section 2786 and. additionally, for the acquisition of wildlife corridors and urban trails, nature interpretation programs, and other programs which bring urban residents into park and wildlife areas, The grants made pursuant to this subdivision are subject to the conditions of subdivision (d) of Section 5910, and Sections 5917 and 5919, of the Public Resources Code, as nearly as may be practicable.

(b) To the State Coastal Conservancy, four million dollars ($4,000,000) annually.

(c) To the Santa Monica Mountain. Conservancy, five million dollars ($5,000,000) annually for the next 10 fiscal years, commencing with the 1990-91 fiscal year. The money shall be used for the purposes specified in Section 2786 for wildlife habitat, and for related open-space projects, within the Santa Monica Mountains Zone, the Rim of the Valley Corridor, and the Santa Clarita Woodlands. Of the total amount appropriated pursuant to this subdivision, not less than a total of ten million dollars ($10,000,000) shall be spent within the Santa Susana Mountains and the Simi Hills, and not less than a total of ten million dollars (S 10,(101),(1110) shall be spent within the Santa Clarita Woodlands. These funds shall be expended in accordance with Division 23 (commencing with Section 33000) of the Public Resources Code during the operative period of this section as specified in subdivision (f) and in Section 2797. The Legislature may, by statute. extend the period for expenditure of the funds provided by this paragraph.

(d) To the California Tahoe Conservancy, five hundred thousand dollars ($500,000) annually.

(e) To the board, the balance of the fund.

(f) This section shall become operative on July 1, 1990, and, as of July 1, 2020, is repealed, unless a later enacted statute, which becomes effective on or before July 1, 2020, deletes or extends that date.

2788. Notwithstanding Section 13340 of the Government Code, the money in the fund is continuously appropriated, without regard to fiscal years, to the board.

This section shall become operative only if, and on the date that, Section 2787 is repealed.

2789. In areas where habitats are or may become isolated or fragmented. preference shall be given by the agencies expending money from the fund to projects which will serve as corridors linking otherwise separated habitat so that the genetic integrity of wildlife populations will be maintained.

2790. Each agency receiving money from the fund pursuant to Section 2787 shall report to the board on or before July 1 of each year the amount of money that was expended and the purposes for which the money was expended, The board shall prescribe the information in the agencies reports that it determines is necessary to carry out the requirements of Section 2791. The board shall expend the money appropriated to it from the fund subject to the following conditions:

(a) Not more than one and one-half (1-1/2) percent shall be expended for administration of this chapter.

(b) The board shall, to the extent practicable: expend the money in a manner and for projects so that, within each 24-month period, approximately one third of the total expenditures of the money in the fund, including, until July 1, 2020, the expenditures by the agencies receiving money from the fund pursuant to subdivisions (a) to (d), inclusive, of Section 2787, are expended for the purposes specified in subdivision (a) of Section 2786 and approximately two-thirds of the total expenditures of the money in the fund, including, until July 1, 2020, the expenditures by the agencies receiving money from the fund pursuant to subdivisions (a) to (d), inclusive, of Section 2787, are expended for the purposes specified in subdivisions (b) and (c) of Section 2786.

(c) The board shall, to the extent practicable, expend the money in the fund in a manner and for projects so that, within each 24-month period, approximately six million dollars (6,000,000) of the money, including, until July 1, 2020, the expenditures by the agencies receiving money from the fund pursuant to subdivisions (a) to (d), inclusive, of Section 2787, are expended for the purposes specified in subdivision (d) of Section 2786.

(d) The board shall, to the extent practicable, expend the money in the fund in a manner and for projects so that, within each 24-month period, approximately six million dollars (56,(100.000) of the money, including, until July 1, 2020, the expenditures by the agencies receiving money from the fund pursuant to subdivisions (a) to (dl. inclusive, of Section 2787, are expended for the purposes specified in subdivision (e) and (f) of Section 2786.

(e) To the extent practicable, the board shall expend the money appropriated to it from the fund in a manner and for projects so that, within each 24month period, approximately one-half of the total expenditures of the money in the fund, including. until July l, 2020, the expenditures by the agencies receiving money from the fund pursuant to subdivisions (a) to (d), inclusive, of Section 2787, are expended in northern California and approximately one-half in southern California.

(f) Subject to the other requirements of this section, the board may allocate not more than two million dollars ($2,000,000) annually for the purposes of this chapter to one of more State agencies created by the Legislature or the people which are authorized by other provisions of law to expend funds for the purposes of this chapter.

2792. If any agency designated in Section 2787 ceases to exist, or is otherwise unable to expend the funds appropriated by Section 2787 to that agency for the period specified, the board or its successor agency shall expend the same funds for the same purpose.

2793. The board and any other state or local agency that expends any funds appropriated from the fund on environmental enhancement, restoration, or improvement projects shall utilize the services of the California Conservation Corps and local community conservation corps to the extent practicable.

2794. In implementing this chapter, the state or local agency that manages lands acquired with funds appropriated from the fund shall prepare, with full public participation, a management plan for lands that have been acquired, which plan shall reasonably reduce possible conflicts with neighboring land use and landowners, including agriculturists, The plans shall comply with the California Environmental Quality Act (Division 21 (commencing with Section 210W) of the Public Resources Code).

2795. (a) The Controller shall annually transfer 10 percent of the funds in the Unallocated Account in the Cigarette and Tobacco Products Surtax Fund to the Habitat Conservation Fund.

(b) No additional allocation of funds from that account shall be made by the Legislature for purposes of this chapter or for any other natural resource or environmental protection program.

2796. (a) The Controller shall annually transfer the sum of thirty million dollars ($30,000,000) from the General Fund to the Habitat Conservation Fund, less any amount transferred to the Habitat Conservation Fund from, but not limited to, the following accounts and funds:

(1) The Public Resources Account in the Cigarette and Tobacco Products Surtax Fund to the extent authorized by the Tobacco Tax and Health Protection Act of 1988.

(2) The Unallocated Account in the Cigarette and Tobacco Products Surtax Fund pursuant to subdivision (a) of Section 2795.

(3) The California Environmental License Plate Fund.

(4) The Endangered and Rare Fish, Wildlife. and Plant Species Conservation and Enhancement Account in the Fish and Game Preservation Fund, (S) Any other non-General Fund accounts and funds created by the Legislature or the people for purposes which are consistent with the purposes of this act.

(6) Any bond funds which are authorized by the people after July 1, 1990, which may be used for purposes which are identical to the purposes specified in Section 2786.

(7) The Wildlife Restoration Fund.

(b) Except for transfers from the Endangered and Rare Fish, Wildlife, and Plant Species Conservation and Enhancement Account, transfers from the Fish and Game Preservation Fund are not transfers for purposes of subdivision (a) and shall not be made to the fund, Transfers of federal, local, or privately donated funds or transfers from the State Coastal Conservancy Fund pursuant to Section 31011 of the Public Resources Code to the fund are not transfers for purposes of subdivision (a).

(c) This section does not limit the amount of funds which may be transferred to the fund or which may be expended for fish and wildlife habitat protection either from the fund or from any other sources.

(d) This section shall become operative on July 1, 1990, shall become inoperative on June 30, 2020, and, as of January 1, 2021, is repealed, unless a later enacted statute, which becomes effective before January 1, 2021, deletes or extends the dates on which it becomes inoperative and is repealed,

2797. (a) The people find it necessary to acquire, restore, and improve the rapidly disappearing wildlife habitat of southern California in the quickest and most efficient manner possible using existing governmental resources, Therefore, notwithstanding Section 33216 of the Public Resources Code, Division 23 (commencing with Section 33000) of the Public Resources Code shall continue in effect for the period that funds may be expended pursuant to subdivision (c) of Section 2787.

This subdivision shall not become operative if, prior to June 6, 1990, Section 33216 of the Public Resources Code has been amended to extend the operative effect of that Division 23 to at least July 1, 1995.

(b) If subdivision (a) of this section does not become operative, the controller shall increase the annual transfer of funds pursuant to subdivision (c) of Section 2787 on a pro rata basis so that the total amount available to the Santa Monica Mountains Conservancy for purposes of this chapter pursuant to that subdivision (c) is fifty million dollars ($50,000,000).

Nothing in this section precludes the Legislature from extending the time for expenditure of funds pursuant to subdivision (c) of Section 2787.

2798. Acquisitions of real property made pursuant to this chapter shall be done in compliance with the land acquisition law as existing or as hereafter amended and as it applies to the agencies designated in Section 2787, and in compliance with subdivision (a) of Section 5929 of the Public Resources Code.

2799. Every expenditure made pursuant to this chapter shall comply with, the California Environmental Quality Act (Division 13 (commencing with Section 21000) of the Public Resources Code).

2799.5. Reasonable public access to lands acquired in fee with funds made available pursuant to this chapter shall be provided except when that access may interfere with habitat protection.

2799.6. Only those amounts of money which are transferred to the fund from the General Fund pursuant to Section 2796 may be reappropriated for purposes of this chapter by a two-thirds vote of the Legislature.

SECTION 3.

Section 3950.1 is added to the Fish and Game Code, to read:

3950.1. (a) Notwithstanding Section 3950 or any other provision of this code, the mountain lion (genus Felis) shall not be listed as, or considered to be, a game mammal by the department or the commission.

(b) Section 219 does not apply to this section, Neither the commission nor the department shall adopt any regulation that conflicts with or supersedes this section.

SECTION 4. Section 4189 of the Fish and Game Code is repealed.

SECTION 5. Chapter 10 (commencing with Section 4800) of Part 3 of Division 4 of the Fish and Game Code is repealed.

SECTION 6. Chapter 10 (commencing with Section 4800) is added to Part 3 of Division 4 of the Fish and Game Code, to read:

CHAPTER 10. MOUNTAIN LIONS

4800. (a) The mountain lion (genus Felis) is a specially protected mammal under the laws of this state.

(b) It is unlawful to take, injure, possess, transport, import, or sell any mountain lion or any part or product thereof, except as specifically provided in this chapter or in Chapter 2 (commencing with Section 2116) of Division 3, This chapter does not prohibit the sale or possession of any mountain lion, or any part or product thereof, when the owner can demonstrate that the mountain lion, part or product thereof, was in the person's possession on June 6, 1990.

(c) Any violation of this section is a misdemeanor punishable by imprisonment in the county jail for not more than one year, or a fine of not more than ten thousand dollars ($10,000) or by both that fine and imprisonment, An individual is not guilty of a violation of this section if it is demonstrated that. in taking or injuring a mountain lion, the individual was acting in self-defense or in defense of others.

(d) Section 219 does not apply to this chapter, Neither the commission nor the department shall adopt any regulation that conflicts with or supersedes any of the provisions of this chapter.

4801. The department may remove or take any mountain lion, or authorize an appropriate local agency with public safety responsibility to remove or take any mountain lion, that is perceived to be an imminent threat to public health or safety.

4802. Any person, or the employee or agent of a person, whose livestock or other property is being or has been injured, damaged, or destroyed by a mountain lion may report that fact to the department and request a permit to take the mountain lion.

4803. Upon receipt of a report pursuant to Section 4802, the department, or any animal damage control officer specifically authorized by the department to carry out this responsibility, shall immediately take the action necessary to confirm that there has been depredation by a mountain lion as reported, The confirmation process shall be completed as quickly as possible, but in no event more than 48 hours after receiving the report, If satisfied that there has been depredation by a mountain lion as reported, the department shall promptly issue a permit to take the depredating mountain lion.

4804. In order to ensure that only the depredating mountain lion will be taken, the department shall issue the permit pursuant to Section 4803 with the following conditions attached:

(a) The permit shall expire 10 days after issuance.

(b) The permit shall authorize the holder to begin pursuit not more than one mile from the depredation site.

(c) The permit shall limit the pursuit of the depredating mountain lion to within a 10-mile radius from the location of the reported damage or destruction.

4805. Whenever immediate authorization will materially assist in the pursuit of the particular mountain lion believed to be responsible for the depredation reported pursuant to Section 4802, the department or the animal damage control officer may orally authorize the pursuit and taking of the depredating mountain lion, and the department shall issue a written permit for the period previously authorized as soon as practicable after the oral authorization.

4806. Any person issued a permit pursuant to Section 4803 or 4805 shall report, by telephone within 24 hours, the capturing, injuring, or killing of any mountain lion to an office of the department or, if telephoning is not practicable, in writing within five days after the capturing, injuring, or killing of the mountain lion, At the time of making the report of the capturing, injuring, or killing, the holder of the permit shall make arrangements to turn over the mountain lion or the entire carcass of the mountain lion which has been recovered to a representative of the department and shall do so in a timely manner.

4807.

(a) Any mountain lion that is encountered while in the act of pursuing, inflicting injury to, or killing livestock, or domestic animals, may be taken immediately by the owner of the property or the owner's employee or agent, The taking shall be reported within 72 hours to the department. The department shall investigate the depredation, and, if the mountain lion was captured, injured, or killed, the mountain lion or the entire carcass of the mountain lion which has been recovered shall be turned over to the department, Upon satisfactorily completing the investigation and receiving the mountain lion or the carcass, if recovered, the department shall issue a permit confirming that the requirements of this section have been met with respect to the particular mountain lion taken under these circumstances,

(b) The department shall undertaken complete necropsy on any returned mountain lion carcass and report the findings to the commission, The commission shall compile the reported findings and prepare an annual written report that shall be submitted to the Legislature not later than the January 15 next following the year in which the mountain lion was taken.

4808. As used in this chapter, "agent" means the agent or employee of the owner of the damaged or destroyed property, any county or city predator control officer, any employee of the Animal Damage Control Section of the United States Department of Agriculture, any departmental personnel, or any authorized or permitted houndsman registered with the department as possessing the requisite experience and having no prior conviction of any provision of this code or regulation adopted pursuant to this code, A plea of nolo contendere is a conviction for purposes of this section.

4809. Mountain lions authorized to be taken pursuant to this chapter shall be taken by the most effective means available to take the mountain lion causing the damage or destruction, except that no mountain lion shall be taken by means of poison, leg-hold or metal jawed traps, and snares.

SECTION 7. If any provision of this act or the application thereof to any person or circumstances is held invalid, that invalidity shall not affect other provisions or applications of the as which can be given effect without the invalid provision or application, and to this end the provisions of this act are severable.

SECTION 8. Except amendments of subdivisions (c) and (f) of Section 2787 and subdivision (d) of Section 2796 of the Fish and Game Code to extend the operative effect of those sections, which maybe enacted by statute enacted by the Legislature, this act shall be amended only by a statute approved by a vote of four fifths of the members of both houses of the Legislature. Any amendment of this act shall be consistent with, and further the purposes of, this act, except the Legislature shall not reallocate the funds allocated by Sections 2787 and 2788 of the Fish and Game Code, change the expenditure requirements of Section 2791 of the Fish and Game Code, or change the transfers of funds required by Sections 2795 and 2796 of the Fish and Game Code.

SECTION 9. This act shall be liberally construed to further its purposes.
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Re: How to get CA to allow Mountain Lion hunts?

Postby mike martell » Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:19 pm

When you have an options, you don't need solutions....California like Oregon and Washington has them now they are called your dollars and the Federal Government and a sport hound hunter will never be needed in California, Oregon, Washington. The solution? Cut the head off the rattle snake and he will no longer bite you.....

Look at Oregon, H.B. 2971-Passed and allowed hound hunters to hunt cougars....How did this go? Game Department hired the Government to kill our cougar....I fought for H.B. 2971. How did this go? The liberal senate didn't even vote on the measure...Less than a year later H.B. 3636 was passed by both House and Senate. 100% Funding by sport hunter license and tags to hire the federal government to kill cougars across Oregon.

Our Game Department can not engage in politics but has inside pull to get both the House and Senate to pass legislation that excludes sport hunters....USDA FISH AND WILDLIFE IS THE ENEMY TO SPORT HOUND HUNTERS AND MOST PEOPLE JUST DON'T GET IT!!!!!!!!USDA APHIS WILDLIFE SERVICES (DEFINED AS THE GOVERNMENT) IS BEHIND THE WOLF INTRODUCTION PROGRAM AS WELL-----U.S. FISH AND WILDLIFE, GET IT? USING YOUR MONEY TO SECURE THE FUTURE OF GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES. THE FUTURE IS NOT SELLING HUNTING LICENSE AND TAGS....THE FUTURE IS MANAGING THE WOLF FOR TOURISM...

CUT THE HEAD OFF THE SNAKE!!!!!!!!!MY POSITION IS CLEAR, SPORT HUNTERS ARE NOT DOING THE HUNTING, THAN NO ONE IS DOING THE HUNTING!!!!!!!

NOW LETS START ANOTHER POST ABOUT HOW GREAT THOSE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HOUNDS ARE AND HOW THEY MOP UP YOUR COUGAR.....PLEASE FOR THE SAKE OF ALL USDA EMPLOYEES, KEEP WORKING AND PAYING YOUR TAXES. WHILE YOUR BUTT IS SIDELINED, YOUR MONEY BUYS HOUNDS AND EQUIPMENT TO HUNT IN YOUR BACK YARD. JUST LOOK FOR THE DOG BOX AND THE 4X4 PICKUP THAT IS WAAAAY NICER THAN YOUR'S, BET YOU WOULD HAVE SOME KICK BUTT DOGS TOO IF YOU WERE PAID TO HUNT 24/7/365 AND DIDN'T HAVE TO SUPPORT A FAMILY OR ROB PETER TO PAY PAUL TO HUNT.... EASY TO SPOT...THE LICENSE PLATE FRONT AND BACK READS.....FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.....THE END.
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Re: How to get CA to allow Mountain Lion hunts?

Postby Peter Meyer » Tue Mar 06, 2012 5:04 am

Two death of children by lions in California in within 12 calendar months is the current scenario that has been going around for awhile that will turn the tide on 117. No way the legislature and senate will get to the 3/4 vote in both houses necessary to overturn 117 especially with what is going on with Commissioner Richards. Fellow California houndsmen, what we are up against is now more than ever glaring at us daily. I know that they (California's liberal voters who will force F&G's hand) may make us outlaws some day in the near future. All I can say is they willl get me and my black and tans out of the woods when they pry the leashes from my cold, dead hands. -Pete

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How to get CA to allow Mountain Lion hunts?

Postby Fitz » Wed Jul 25, 2012 3:43 pm

I'm all in to do what I can to get this going! Has anybody found anything else out or is there a petition going yet?
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Re: How to get CA to allow Mountain Lion hunts?

Postby ALEX » Sun Oct 21, 2018 12:29 am

Some of you California guys may be aware that CA DFW is in the middle of conducting a statewide lion study to gain the first accurate population estimate since the guesstimate of the late 70's/early 80's. As well as an idea of how lions are using the landscape in modern Ca with habitat fragmentation, more human interaction, etc. The study has a few more years to go, but the news is that the findings of the study may cause CA DFW to suggest policy changes regarding lions in CA. Up to this point, that statement has been vague, so who knows what those changes could even be. I can't imagine it would be anything suggesting further restrictions.
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