Went out to day.........

[RIFLEMAN]

Benny

Rifleman, I'm just curious, are you related to Larry or ike? They like to attack and stir up discontent also. I'm not attacking here, just trying to sort out who's who.

No, I am neither related nor acquainted with either of them. If you go back and read my original comments, you'll see that I was merely indicating that posting pictures with questionable content (large number of dead coon, coons getting caught on the ground by the dogs, etc) can provide tangible contribution to the antis in their efforts to convince non-hunters to see things their way.

As I indicated in a response to the comments of grouse, Tom A, cobalt, etc, and as grouse demonstrates oh so perfectly, I thought it would be a waste of time to respond because I knew that some people are unable to dissociate themselves from their opinions and would think that when their opinion or comments are scrutinized or refuted, they are being personally attacked. While I do not think I have attacked anyone (because to do so means, to me, to go on the offensive and make it personal), I will admit that my last two posts went up a notch or two in assertiveness; this is because I was refuting comments about me rather than about my position. Instead of discussing whether or not we contribute to our own demise, people choose to question if I actually hunt, suggest that I am using certain words only as a means to impress others, etc. I think the best way to shut down a line of thinking is to point out why the thinking is flawed in the hopes of convincing someone to abandon it. As an example, cobalt indicated that I was being hypocritical. I responded with a clarification on what being hypocritical is, provided examples on why I was not being hypocritical, and I appear to have convinced him such that we are no longer talking about anyone being a hypocrite any longer. Yet even now, after I believe I effectively turned the tables on the "idiot and moron" debate, and asked grouse if we could get back to the actual subject of this post, he takes it to a whole new low.

In fact, as I am writing this response to you, I must say that I find it odd that you would choose to ask me about my association with those who like to attack rather than directing your inquiry to someone like grouse. I'd be interested in understanding why that is exactly.

[grouse]

Rifleman ,you did turn the tide on that idiot and moron comment you threw back at me, made me tear up a little page 6 is your 1st comments ,page 8 i made one , page 10 you made it PERSONAL

[RIFLEMAN]

grouse,

Rifleman , now i know why i had to take that english class two years in a row , luckily for me there was a nerd in there like you i could cheat off of or i'd still be there . Remember just because you and your boyfriend like to hide your gerbils in different parts of your body orfices and have your poodles find them don't make you a houndsman or would that be houndsmen ? hmmm?? I am a moron and an idiot, my mother called me that all the time so i just accepted the fact .I'm still waiting to here your great answer about the micro management stuff , and the great stuff you've done for your sport , now i know my verbage and spelling ain't right but what do you expect from a Pennsylvania hillbilly ? You can do all you want to make me look dumb and it don't take much ,i do that pretty much on my own , so like i said i'm still waiting your answer on your great contributions to the sport , just remember gerbil hunting is not a sport !! and neither is milk chuggin !

As much as I enjoy reading your responses, I think it is safe to say at this point that it is highly unlikely that this conversation will ever become productive. Wouldn't you agree? And as much as my gut tells me to respond to your request and indicate what I've done for my sport, I highly doubt that my response would get us back on track or be met with anything other than the type of reaction that you have provided to everything else I have said; I could probably look forward to more attempts to insult me, an accusation that I am bragging, a dismissal of whatever I list, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Would I be wrong to assume that this would be the case?

[RIFLEMAN]

grouse,

page 6 is your 1st comments ,page 8 i made one , page 10 you made it PERSONAL

So, if I understand you correctly, you are indicating that I was the person responsible for taking an otherwise civil discussion that focused only on the merits of the arguments and subsequently made it personal, and that I was the first to do so in my comments on Page 10?

The definition of personal in this context is, "referring or directed to a particular person in a disparaging or offensive sense or manner, usually involving character, behavior, appearance, etc. personal remarks. making personal remarks or attacks.

With this in mind, how are any of the following comments you provided on Page 8 NOT personal?

these guys that are on here bitching apparently don,t know shit about coon and coonhunting !

furthermore some of these internet loudmouths on here always bring up about the anti,s useing the pictures for there bullshit.

if they would spend more time e- mailing and calling there elected officials to bitch about there hunting rights being taken from them instead of bitching about the way their brother houndsman choose to hunt it would be more productive.

[grouse]

[quote][/quote]furthermore some of these internet loudmouths on here always bring up about the anti,s useing the pictures for there bullshit.[quote man i can't believe i misspelled using .

[grouse]

Rifleman, guess i've been hanging out with those damn hounds to much ,cause i understand them better then i understand you. Guess i can't have brains and goodlooks to . Shit! just looked in the mirror looks like i don't have neither one .

[grouse]

Rifleman , tell us the contributions you made to the sport . I won't say anything negative as long as you don't act like my 7th grade english teacher (man i did'nt like her ) or take quotes we make and analyze them . Remember i'm a hillbilly so i take things different then what you think i should .

[RIFLEMAN]

I don't really feel comfortable about this and had really hoped that you had forgotten all about it, grouse, but fine, a deal is a deal; I will share my contributions to the sport and hold you to your promise not to accuse me of bragging or otherwise say anything negative.

Here are the hats I've worn in the past...
*CHC's President: Led California Houndsmen for Conservation
*Full Cry Column Writer: Wrote the monthly column for CHC
*Trailhound Heritage Matching Grant Donor: Was one of ten donors who made a $1000 donation to match the smaller donations of other CHC members

Here are the hats I currently wear...
*CHC Trustee: Participate in a body of people to govern the operations of the organization
*CHC's Webmaster: Manage and maintain CHC's site at http://www.californiahoundsmen.com
*CHC's Legislative Analyst/Political Liaison: Interact with California Department of Fish and Game ("DFG"), California Fish and Game Commission, California Legislature, California Outdoor Heritage Alliance (our lobbyist), and other hunting organizations to protect and promote hound hunting
*CHC's Recording Clerk: Keep track of the attendance and voting record of the Officers and Trustees of CHC

Here are some of the things I've done or that I currently do that I've listed in chronological order (oldest to most recent):
2003
*Wrote online petition and helped lead a grassroots campaign to stop AB342, a bill that would have banned the use of dogs for the pursuit of mammals
*Joined California Houndsmen for Conservation ("CHC")
*Attended CHC fundraising banquet
2004
*Served as President of CHC
*Wrote the Full Cry column
*Established the practice of having CHC have a booth at the International Sportsmen's Expo (that continues to this day) and drove 6 hours south to LA man the booth
*Attended CHC fundraising banquet
2005
*Served as President of CHC
*Wrote the Full Cry column
*Represented CHC at the International Sportsmen's Expo at the Sacramento show
*Attended CHC fundraising banquet
2006 and 2007 (I stepped away in order to get married, start a family, and advance my career.)
*Acted as a Matching Grant Donor
*Attended CHC fundraising banquets
2008
*Built (wrote the code and content of) CHC's website
*Assumed role of Webmaster
*Gave donation to CHC fundraising banquet
*Attended CHC fundraising banquets
2009
*Appointed roles of Analyst/Liaison and Recording Clerk
*Elected Trustee
*Provided testimony to California legislature regarding bills that would make it a crime to remove a hound's collar and provide better accountability of the spending of monies generated by the sale of bear and hog tags
*Provided public comment to Fish and Game Commission to encourage them to adopt DFG proposals that would expand bear hunting opportunities
*Worked with DFG staff to submit proposals for 2010 mammal hunting regulations that would legalize the use of GPS for hounds and decrease the size of the area of the state where hounds aren't allowed during the late spring and summer
*Met with the Director of DFG to allow hound hunting clubs to have hunting contests
*Met quarterly with DFG, Commission, and hunting and fishing organizations to further outdoor recreation
*Attended CHC fundraising banquet
*Gave donation to CHC fundraising banquet
2010
*Gave speech at International Sportsmen's Expo educating audience on hound hunting and encouraging hunters to join California Outdoor Heritage Alliance to protect hunting
*Provided public comment in Sacramento in February to Fish and Game Commission to encourage them to adopt DFG proposals that would expand bear hunting opportunities
*Taught at the DFG's Bear Hunting Clinic on hunting ethics
*Met with DFG Chief of Enforcement to share ideas on how to improve warden relations with houndsmen
*Provided public comment in LA in March to Fish and Game Commission to encourage them to adopt DFG proposals that would expand bear hunting opportunities
*Met with Humane Society of the United States in an attempt to educate them on the realities of hunting with hounds
*Meet quarterly with DFG, Commission, and hunting and fishing organizations to further outdoor recreation

[grouse]

Rifleman ,for what it's worth comming from me . GREAT JOB !

[kordog]

this fighting amongst ourselves is why the antis will really win they wont even have to divide us we do it ourselves.

[Tom A]

[radar]

right on!!!!!!!!!!

[Benny G]

Rifleman, Perhaps I jumped the gun. I just get tired of the petty BS on here at times. For me, some days are better than others. If ALL OF US worked as hard as you apparently do to protect our sport we would be better off. Anyone who has set through even one of those meetings can be disheartened in a hurry. Well done. Benny

[jkcasey]

SEE, if we were to spend more time getting to know one another, instead of fussing and fighting, all of this could have been prevented. We each have diffrent styles, diffrent views, and the same common goal, and that is to run our dogs the way we enjoy doing it. I'm pulling for us, remember we are all in this together. Later Kiel

[PLOTTMAN55]

NICE