Mike Leonard wrote: Now then Kevin D. My model 92's are reproductions although we have 25.20's and 32.20's. Mine are 357 Magnum and will shoot with my reloads wel enough to take the head off a cottontail every shot if you can shoot at 50 yards and they are pure poisen on lions, they seldom kick more than twice. certainly some fun guns and very useable for the dog man. Bear? No problemo 158 gr. thru the wind room and boom they hit the pine needles!
It's funny Mike, but as a kid growing up I looked down my nose at all the old timers still packing the old open sighted lever guns. Modern calibers and scoped rifles were so much superior I couldn't understand why anybody would want to hunt with anything less. But it has come full circle now, the new AR's, the sub-MOA rifles right out of the box, range finding scopes and all the new technology has left me longing for the way things were. Nothing is as satisfying to me now as hearing the action click shut on a pre-war '92 or '94. I'd take an original .45-70 over the latest and greatest magnum anyday. Scoped rifles are increasingly becoming the minority in my gun room.
nice to see folks are still alive out there. Just tring to get a topic going nothing personal guys.i seem to shot good on paper, but i be damned if i can kill those darn coyotes.cats are easy their always in a tree.
well i gotta question, does change your bullet sett depth affect long range shooting, and am i tring to hard. as you saw earlier in here my gun shoots very well with this load out to 300 yards but at 500 i can only get my groups down to 2 1/2 ". I am using my bipod and a sand bag on the back. SO i guess my question is if i move my bullet closer or farther on my lances will my group tighten any?
thanks guy i am about to pull my hair out i want atleast a 5 shot 1" group at 500. but dont know if i can get it done
2.5 inch groups at 500 yards with are you kidding. I would be loving that. what caliber are you shooting? I would think optics would help 1 inch looks pretty small at 500 yards with 18 power also wind starts to have a big effect out that far with 55 grain bullets.
if you want consistent 500yd. 1 inch groups you will most likely have to move up in caliber. actually you WILL have to. a 308 gets closer to what your looking at and 55 grns is to small to have the ballistics to perform all the time. guns i 've seen do that or better ar the grendel, 7.62 nato /.308win. 300 win mag and a 300wsm .338 occasionally and the 50. oh and a 7mm mag in 700 remington. but for precision shooting there are so many variables it would hard to get things worked out with out some range time. the accepted procedure is the slug is firm with the rifling. it helps keep barrel harmonics similar shot to shoot. are you changeng temps or elevation between outings? there's some good literature out for that type of shooting that can guide you. who and what has been done to your rifle?
Well the action is bedded, custom 26" barrell with a 1 in 12 twist, timley trigger set at 1 3/4 pounds of pull,thumbhole custom stock, it has good optics , sims barrell deresinator, um bipod thats about it.
like i said can't tell whats up test different things singely untill you get there how many rounds have you put through it? whats your shooting experience training
as long as your having fun one of the main things to rember is that it's sometimes easier to tweak the shooter then the gun. and making a good shot is a great feat but it takes a while to learn confidence with a arm. try shooting it from all positions and really putting the shots down range don't worry about your accuracy unless you start throwing them out of a six inch circle. once you have shot your self sick from all positions give it a week, then go out and rezero and shoot your five round strings for accuracy. it'll be like your old friends and you may be surprised. and rember unless you have a spotter and your ballistic sheet there you'll never be able to buck nature. the math will give you a head ache and cause the shot to be off anyway. good luck buddy
have you guys ever lapped your barrel's? My father inlaw did this with some special bullett's and his 270 wsm is one hell of a accurate gun now, he had a 4 inch group at 605 yds with that gun and i was impressed. just curious
Shooting a 1 inch group at 500 yards is the equivalent of shooting 1/5 moa. that would be like shooting .20 of an inch at a hundred yards. Your groups on the first page are not anywhere near that. If your remington is a post 2006 I highly doubt it will shoot that tight no matter how much work you do to it. Who built you rifle? Set the barrel? You might send it to someone who makes long range shooters I have had good luck with GreTan. As far as handloads how much freebore does your rifle have? did you have the barrel cut to specific bullet and oal? That will tell on accuracy alot. When you shoot one hole groups and I mean one ragged hole at 100 yards then you might try to shoot a 1 inch group at 500 yards. I have shot a lot and know many longrange shooters both competion and tactical and don't know any that can consistently shoot a 1 inch group at 500. My suggestion to you would be retire or sell the remington and buy a Neaska Bay action and a Good barrel (like a shilen or douglas 30 inch no 4 minimum no taper) in a large bore magnum 30 caliber or bigger. 300 win mag would be minimum. Yes the 300 is a great round even being a belted magnum just index off the shoulder like you would and handload. A good quality stock like a MacBros Stay away from wood and thumbholes. But most important have it put together by a long range gunsmith. They are rarer than you would think They should be willing to give an accuracy gaurantee of some kind.
I say try it. every gun and load is different and setting OAL with one load may not be the best for another. you do have to be careful and and backoff your powder because you can have large pressure increases when the bullet gets close to, or touches the lands. I would post some of my groups but my dog ate them.
It's nice to shoot long and neat on the range and know what you capable of with your equipment.
We cull lots of springbuck here at home thier average weight is about 22kg live , so they actually small antelope. Shooting for the meat market we got to shoot brain shots and put them down for keeps. No jaw shots, through the nose , ear or bust off horns. The brain is only a small part of the head probably 2 1/2" from the front. We get lots of bench rest shooters that do competition shooting come join us with their fully customised riggs, few of these guy's make good practical field marksmen.
To many gadgets and loads of unecessary crap they tote around with them. When they done fidgiting with their range finder and get settled for the shot and done all their twisting this and that and eventually vented gas, the animals shifted position already so they just shoot for the head.They forget where the brain is situated and then the inevitable - " Shit how did that happen , must have bumped this gun , its out. "
My brother and I do shoot long shots with just old pre '64 Winchesters in .243 and .270 with handloads we work up for them. However we dont take unecessary chances and most of our shots we try to limit to no further than 250 yards. That way we get the job done and get the the cold trucks moving meat.
Forget the paper targets come have some fun here with us on the real thing. We got to haul off up to 10 000 springbuck per year. You can also enjoy predator calling for jackal and lynx. But hell I'm a houndsman so you can run with the hounds as well, you just need good boots for that !!
