What breed is the most growely or alligator

[Pops]

not going to get into the pit thing or the plott origin again. houndnem, you should actually go read up on plott history.

most fight picking trailing dogs i've run into have been treeing walkers. most fight finishing dogs (w/o actually killing the other dogs too often) have been catahoulas & texas blackmouths. haven't seen too many fighting plotts.

the hotshot is a big reason we have so many fight picking dogs now. people forget they had to burn through a couple of sets of batteries and go ahead and breed from a fight picking SOB. JMO and worth what you paid for it.

[plottpappaw]

i'm not to sure bout the terrier but there were several outcrosses once here. their was also a cable hound but it looked like a black and white walker

[George Streepy]

2ndhound, I was the one with the poor wording. I didn't think you were implying anything about all Plott owners, Neither am I.

[houndnem]

[quote="Pops"]not going to get into the pit thing or the plott origin again. houndnem, you should actually go read up on plott history.


maybe you should go back and read this thread again. also the next topic, a branch off of this thread I have seen several fairley credible posts on both that back me up. I did read that one time on a website I googled by history of hounds a couple years back.

as for the brindle in them, sounds like it came from curs originally. sorry like that makes it any better.

as for the original topic at hand, it just seems to me that common sense would suggest that the most gritty agressive dogs would me most apt to be growley.(unquestionably plotts) sorry if it ruffles your ass hairs. I have owned plenty of plotts and have nothing agaist them, they are great dogs! I also belive that it can be kept very minimal with any breed with the right disaplin.

[plottpappaw]

i have to agree the post got kinda side tracked. i apologize i had a hand in the high jacking of the thread.

[Nolte]

From my experience, any time that you get dogs that will stick a caught bear you up the % of having a dog that is a little more snappy. It's a very fine line that you've got to stay below on. On other critters you don't need that type of stick.

I always get a kick out of the "They'll finish it" crowd, what good does that do. Let's face it, if you spend enough time in the woods and you're going to have a situation at some point. It's inevitable unless you run with one dog, and I don't care if you've normally got angels in there. So when that happens, I don't want them to finish it. I can handle a little squabble, move away and go back to treeing. I don't like it and will hammer them for it, but that is a lot better than having to carry out a dog or worse yet just collars. And it's not always the real perpetrator that get's caught in the chaos and ends up on the bad end of the deal.

I put the boots to any dog that is acting out at a tree. My dog, your dog, stray dog, don't matter the results are the same. Without a doubt, my boots have been into more plotts than other breeds and I've hunted with a lower % of them than other breeds. It's probably followed by walkers (hunted with a ton though), english, B&Ts, redbones and blueticks but we havne't had a whole lot of blues and reds around. Never had to break up a cur dog, but I've only hunted around 2 so it's not much of a sample.

Any dog that is always in the middle of that crap, get rid of them. It's not worth it and you will eventually lose a good one or young prospect because of it. The only way to get around it is to hunt them alone or with a dog they won't bother. But really what fun is that.

[walkerdog]

"They won't start it but they'll finish it" I hear the "They won't start it but they will defend themselves." I have had several plotts, all have gone down the road due to their need to defend themselves.
With that being said, being a walker person, I have gotten rid of a walker for the same. Never had a problem with a redbone.

[coadycurbow]

The best and grittiest dogs I have ever been around had no dog aggression whatsoever. I have seen well-mannered dogs (who were and are gritty) finish a fight quickly when they got jumped on. They got corrected even if they didn't start the BS.

As far as gritty dogs being more prone to fight, I haven't seen it very often. A good game-minded dog doesn't care who else is around, he just wants to get the animal.

We have had more Black Mouth Curs to want to fight than any of the hound breeds. Most fighters ain't worth a damn at hunting when you look at the percentages.

You can take these thoughts and a dollar and go buy a soda water. Lol

[Pops]

houndnem
you said that the breed began by crossing pit bull & hound and breeding back to hound. that ain't exactly accurate. as PPP & i have said Taylor Crockett ADDED some bulldog to the already existing plott breed. when you consider that pit bulldogs are a creation of the 1820 & 30s in britain and only showed up here in numbers in the 1850s and the american breed of pit bulldog was created by mixing the different british lines until a specific type solidified around the 1890s and the plott family was hunting in NC over 50 years before the brits created the first pit bulldogs it makes it kind of innaccurate to say the breed STARTED by crossing hound & pit bull.
so yes, perhaps you should go read some accurate history of the breed.
i don't mean that in a rude way and didn't when i wrote it the first time. i'm sorry if you took it that way.

[Cajun]

The growliest dogs I have seen, hands down are catahoulas. I have run them on hogs & bear. Some I had no problem with & a couple were mean at the tree, but they were all mean in the box. You really had to hammer them to crate 2 males together. Like said above, they come in all breeds.
Pops & Plottpappaw,
I knew & hunted with Taylor Crockettt & he hunted with me. I will never believe he bred pittbull in his plotts. He hated them & wanted nothing to do with them. I would like to see some proof of that instead of ya'll posting something on a public forum where the man is dead & gone & cannot defend himself. He was one of the most honest men you could know. Now that is not to say that some people who might have gotten hold of some of his dogs did not breed pitt in them & claim them for Crockett plotts but if we are talking about reg. plotts that Taylor himself bred there is no pit there. Taylor always made it a priority to breed gritty plotts & that is why they are grittier than most plotts.

[plottpappaw]

no taylor is not alive to defend himself but along with the man i know that hunted with him i also know a gentleman who inherited his dogs. it is a fact that we'll just say bulldog was in them from somepoint after greyboy on. the shorter ears and over muscled jaws should give it away. thats is just to my knowledge and rather than argue i will add that many things may be said and will be said and some ppl know more than other and some less. but i do have respect for each persons comments and facts.

[coadycurbow]

Mr. Cauley, have you ever hunted with Orville Roberts or any of his stock? I have seen some of your pictures. Your plotts are good lookin dogs.

I'm with you, I've heard rumors about people and dogs. The only way to confirm or dispell them is to hunt with them and see their dogs. Don't believe anything you here and only half of what you see.

[july_hound]

Not going to lie, i didn't read everyones post so if this is stated im sorry...

IMPO you answered your own question.. you said "lipper dogs" .. which means a BLOODLINE IN THE WALKER BREEDING... idk why no one can see that its the bloodline and not the whole breed.. its all about the blood line.. hell i go through a lot of dogs and friend plots ain't mean, they may jack a tree and they might defend what they got but far as "Starting" the fight, i can count on my finger how many have started a fight... i have had all breeds from the coon hunting and fox hunting world....................................... its BLOOD LINE

[dandavidson]

I am not seeing english redticks much in here, are they a little mellower? compare to some of these other breeds.

Thanks.
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[houndnem]

not really, we just like to hear how defensive these plott guys get. to most guys that run plotts, there are no other dogs on the planet. kinda reminds me of the mule versus horse deal. I have seen a crap load of growley red ticks. I have seen it in all breeds, even the preciouse "do no wrong" plotts. kinda like pit bulls there are plenty of nice ones, but as a whole they have earned their rep. it really comes down to the training and handling and how much b.s. you tolerate.