What breed is the most growely or alligator

[George Streepy]

I have a redtick that is usually fairly mild mannered. Take 5 months off hunting and she gets pretty growly. But all my dogs are getting tired of sitting around. 3 more weeks and they won't have any problem sleeping through the night. Can hardly wait.

[larry]

Plotts are a different breed of dog altogether, their pack behavior resembles the pack behavior of the wolf more so than any other domestic dog. Part of the reason they get the bad wrap is because they are not a breed that just any hound guy can handle, they are different. They do defend themselves, part of the reason they get the wrap, they don't tolerate face barking heel nipping walkers very well, and they finish it once started, another reason they are blamed. I hope everyone steers clear of them for just that reason. Don't need them being bred to garbage like the walkers have been. Mix in strange dogs with a pack of plotts and u may get torn up dogs, but the plotts more than likely didn't start it. They aren't for everybody and it suits me just fine that people wanna give em a bad wrap.

[George Streepy]

You can have those tough guy dogs. I will stick with what works. I have owned most breeds, the ones that stick around have nothing to do with how well they handle themselves in a dog fight. It doesn't take a special kind of hunter to handle plotts.

And what works may be a plott, I have owned them in the past and will most likely own some in the future. With that mentality you won't advance very far in this sport.

Growly dogs come in every breed, even the super plott.

[larry]

yer not a plott man George, thats the difference, you don't understand. I know and have talked these same issues with ALOT of lifetime plott breeders/hunters. Nothin to do with tough guy dogs, I don't like that I have to worry about someone elses dog getting ill at a tree or starting a fight, because I know mine won't start one, I also know they will not tolerate agression towards them either. Perhaps if the other breeds were a little straighter the plott would not have its reputation??? Fact is that they are different wether you want to acknowledge it or not, and they are not for everybody, you have to pay attention to them and their pack behavior and their mannerisms to a greater extent than fox dogs.
Why do you feel the need to talk down to me over my opinion? Too bad you think you know enough about me to determine where I will advance to in this sport.

[George Streepy]

To bad you think you know enough about this sport to count out or trash talk other breeds. I have spent time around most breeds. I can say the only dog that has ever bit me at a tree was a plott. The only dog that has tore into me when trying to put collars on it was a plott. They have their aggressive tendencies just like any other breed. I watched two plotts tear into each other at a tree. Wasn't a face barking heel nipping walker that started that. The only walker there was sitting on her behind treeing her brains out. Like a perfect little angel.

I have absolutely nothing against plotts. I have been around some fine ones that would benefit anyone's pack. It just hits me a little funny when a plott guy boasts his chest out to brag how good the dogs are in a fight. It is just a little messed up if you ask me. Tells me a lot about a person. If you think you are something special because you can handle a pack of plotts you are kidding yourself. Your right I am not a plott man, I am a hound man and that is what separates us.

[larry]

I thought plotts were hounds too George? Guess your little jab doesn't make much sense. i have had a walker attack myself, tore the sleve off a carhart jacket i was wearing, when I walked by him on the chain! Watched the same dog wag his tail and play submissive til he lured another guy in close enough for him to give out the same treatment, these stories can go back and forth all day, not relevant. the question asked by this topic is most growly! The walkers I have hunted with and OWNED fit that description IMO, how is answering the ? asked trash talking? Wasn't the whole intention of this topic to count out and trash talk a breed???? You started posting prior to me George. Never bragged about how a plott handles aggression from another dog, quite the opposite, I worry about it, and for good reason, nobody wants to see dogs get killed, fact of the matter is a plott is a different animal, and a family unit pack is more likely to kill an aggressor, if not, at the least hold a grudge on the aggressor for the rest of its life. Far as being special, never said that, just different I suppose, plotts are a different breed of hound and I believe they have unique traits that require a different regimine than fox dogs, that is not for everybody. So again George, why the aggression towards me, you failed to answer that question? If it was that u percieved me to be bragging about plotts fighting, you misunderstood me. I hope I have clarified that now.

[radar]

OOOOHHH DAAAAM Preach it brotha preach it!!! The most aggrassive thing that any breed should be twards is game, period. Anything esle its a cull and that goes for bad game too.Cull'em the right way so they can't repoduce there sorry aggrassive or trashy arses!!!!!

[Brianshounds]

I have to say that most problems result from way to many dogs in the woods that dont know each other. i have walkers plots blue dogs and all of mine will eat out of the same food dish. now take 30 dogs that are turned out that have never seen each other before...... u can have a problem when they are all jumping around at the base of a tree trying to figure out who is top dog. i alway figure the first dog is the one who catches the game no need for 30.

[blutick22]

I know this is my first post here but it looked like a god place to start . I have had a walker that was House's / Lipper bred and as said in the original post he was the most tree fighting SOB ive owned . Im not downing the strain but man he wanted to own every tree he was on . Now as far as growly in the box I have to say plotts take the cake for that. I have plotts and one walker , they growl in the box a whole lot but I have never had them actually fight. I know the plotts do not tolerate a strange dog being turned into the run as well as other breeds Ive had . I always figured that was just my dogs until I talked with others who hunt plotts. And the outright meanest hound type dogs Ive seen towards people have been a few bloodhounds , downright dirty mean .
Blu

[ZeluvaRIP69er]

Everyone acts like you cant make dogs be nice to eachother, if your own dogs growl at eachother, what do you think they are going to do when they get around your buddies dogs or even dogs they have never seen before?

My plotts don't fight eachother, neither did our Walkers, Bluetics, Redtics, German Shepherds, Pitbulls, or mutts!

We have had growly dogs, but taken it out in a hurry.

My Socki dogs will not be near other dogs that fight eachother, I have seen him sit as far away from a bear tree as he can in order to avoid it.

Part of the problem is everyone teaching their dogs to get right on the wood and jump around like a bunch of idiots.

It IS ok for dogs to tree sitting down off the tree ya know? It might not look as cool when you go to the little night hunts, but it WILL keep game in the tree and might help save their lives.

There are growly dogs in every breed and strain, we have found that out through this post, but the first step to making sure your dogs don't kill eachother or someone else's dogs, is training them not to fight and be like that. You CAN take two dogs that absolutely hate eachother and make them be civil to eachother!

Starting a fight is just as bad as finishing one.

If the dogs can't even get along in the truck, what make everyone think when they get out of the line of sight from owner or out of range of that shocking collar they won't just kill eachother?

There is no one worth hunting with or no bear worth trying to catch if you dump your best dog in and their pups and worthless dogs kill it.

[wanchese]

a hot shot hs2000 will take care of any attitude problems and it doesnt descriminate against certain breeds either. it will take the fighting out of a dog quick

[july_hound]

WHAT THE HELL MAN?! YOU GUYS WOULD PROBABLY ARGUE AND BITCH OVER WHICH WAY THE WIND BLOWS..... like your moms told you when you were kids "it takes all kins of people to make the world spin"

chill... its not that big of a deal people... if some one thinks something O WELL.. if its wrong, laugh to yourself about how dumb they are... if you agree then good... its NOT breed.. its bloodline friends... good stock is good STOCK... stock=bloodline.... we as hunters need to try and get over this whole which ones the best breed shit.. jesus... if they were bad/had all the bad habbits everyone said then they wouldn't be here to this day.. you will find bad bills in a million dollars but overall its good! <-- metaphore for those of you who didn't understand that.... i had a walker named lipor.. came straight off of lipor... he seriously.. probably would of killed me if i didn't get away.. i mean out of the box chasing me and liked too broke his neck with the chain caught... he was big too but that doesn't mean all walker dogs are bad and that most walker dogs are evil.. hell i got scars on my legs from a red bone.. doesn't mean there bad... had a plot get killed by a english dog in the box... doesn't mean there all bad either.. im just trying to tell you'll that you'll get too caught up in this crap and take it too personal.. sittin there at each others neck at the key board TRYING to convence the world that one breed is good

IF THERE IS ANY MANY IN THE HOUND WORLD THAT FEELS HIS BREED OF HOUND ARE PERFECT/HAVE NO FAULT/NONE OF THAT BREED ARE VICIOUS.. THEN HE'S A DUMBASS AND YOU SHOULDN'T WASTE YOUR TIME ON HIM/HIS THOUGHTS.. IM TELLIN THAT TO ANYONE AND EVERYONE WHO READS THIS


lets try to get along


<-- see smily face

[radar]

Not trying to take over the post just asking a question and maybe i should have started its own topic but............

Where do guys think this happends more at, under Bear trees, Lion trees or small game? The answer's don't have to be all on trees lets say catches in general cuz it happends on ground catches too...

Its deffinitly not a breed thing its a blood thing right? some were along the lines a growly bastard got thrown in there to add some agression to what ever breed. Every now and then in what ever breed the bitches or the males will throw that gen or triat what ever you wana call it, and deppending how much that shit has been bred into those hounds is what you'll see.JMO

If a dog ever killed another dog in my box there would have been two dead that day..........

[Redwood Coonhounds]

As far as I've seen, its more of an INDIVIDUAL DOG thing than a breed or line/strain thing. A lot of that is TRAINING, and the dogs they are raised around. Of course if someone breeds a line of dogs that are known fighters your going to get them. But most of them seemingly crop up randomly, out of dogs that aren't known for it. I also love how people jump on a certain line or breed, because they've owned ONE dog. I also like how everyone has owned a "Lipper Bred" or "Star Mtn Bred" or "Cameron Bred" dog that was a alligator because that dogs pedigree showed that dog ONE time in 4 generations... Gotta have a name to place the blame!

I will say the meanest dogs I've seen are plotts and walkers. Usually of the grade variety. And the guys with the "my dog will finish a fight" mentallity aren't helping anything. Tell you what, another dog starts a fight, mine better hide, because I'M FINISHING IT. I don't care who's guilty! I see a dog face bark a dog, it gets the boot, and if the dog it face barks don't move or even looks back at it, it gets the boot leather too! My dogs can eat, sleep, and be hauled without a growl, ever. I have never had an issue shoving them in someone elses box, or shoving one in my box.

I will agree with some that Bear hunting seems to bring it out worse... I had a heck of a coondog a while back. No issues at all anywhere for months - He never came back from his first bear tree.

What do I know though? I hunt them facebarking Lipper bred Walkers.

[George Streepy]

I think that is the consensus.

I don't like the "finish it" thing either. That was the reason I even posted. I had to get rid of a walker out of some great breeding. The litter mates are excellent cat dogs but mine was over dominant and wanted to tear into any dog it came across. It wasn't the breed or the bloodline because the rest have been the most well mannered easy going dogs. It was the dog.

The biggest problem I have ever had was over dead game or their favorite spot in the dog box. I have been around a few fights at the tree but my dogs are more sit down type dogs.

I can't even imagine a fight to the death, I don't think my dogs are that tough. A knock down drag out brawl with my dogs is about 5 seconds.