Ground Zero

[M Evertsen]

Well, I have seen this a few times, and have talked to a couple people about it, concerning the proposed building of a mosque at Ground Zero.

I had a conversation today with someone, who shed a different light on it.

His thoughts were that no place of worship should be placed anywhere near Ground Zero.

There were Mormons, Baptists, Catholics, Atheists, etc, etc, that all died that day, and for any one religion to build a place of worship would be inappropriate.

I thought about this and agree with him. Makes sense, we need to remember the people that died, regardless of what they believed in.

Any thoughts.

Later,

Marcial

[nmplott]

to me it is almost saying we were conquered, to the much of the world religion has a stronger significance than any flag and to place a religious site at what was symbolically a battle field says you have been conquered. To put a multidemoninational religious site that caters to the masses would have been more appropriate.

[Grzyadms4x4]

I don't see much of a problem with it. It might be a little distasteful, but It is two blocks away, in downtown NY were sky scrapers rule. You can't even see it from "ground zero". It isn't a mosque it is more like a YMCA with fitness, education and a house of warship. There are several strip closer to "ground zero" than the Islam center would be. I believe it is a big farce being drummed up by certain individuals or lobbying groups to distract people from other far more dangerous things that are going on.

Really you have to ask yourself, do you support the Constitution of the united states or do you only support it when it backs your agenda?

Most people do not understand, Islam is not our enemy. They just like Christians have their "jihadist". Remember the abortion bombers? How are they different?

[grouse]

4 x 4 give me some examples where crimes were commited in the name of TRUE christianity because when i watch the news i see where some islamic idiots killed dozens of people in the name of their religion just about EVERY DAY , thats what the difference is . Thats why the war is going like it is because the president don't want to offend the muslims because he is one .It's not hard to tell who the enemy is , you see it every night on the news .

[Grzyadms4x4]

I agree about the prez, he is a wuss that is bought and paid for.
Another thing is that a certain amount of the people that are killing our troops are not killing them for Alah or Islam, but because we bomb the shit out of every place we "Free" and when innocent people that were a mistaken target get hit it tends to piss people off a little.
The other thing is that the people that strap bombs to themselves in the name of Alah aren't REAL Islams. Just like the people who blew up the abortion clinics/doctors aren't REAL Christians. There are bad apples in every bunch.

The War on Terror is a total farce and in my humble opinion we did cause the attacks by our foolish foreign policies of the past 50 years. This all could have been avoided if we just learned from history, but no we can be different, it'll work for us, we're bigger and better. Ya where did that get us besides dead citizens and soldiers, stupid Kids, a 54 trillion dollar debt and a welfare/warfare state. Maybe we are to stupid to keep this republic.

[Cold Track]

Only if we all were as smart as you and had it all figured out. Do you believe all the bullshit they put on TV about this war,or the crap you read, cause it sure sounds like it. The TV and every other source is all liberal bullshit. They don't talk about the positive things that have come of this war, or any of the good for that matter. My brother is on his third tour over there and says they greatly need our help and the people there love to see the soldiers and appreciate what has been done. It's war, there's going to be mistakes and lives lost. But maybe we should mind our own business, turn and look away, and just pretend that terrorism won't come and get us here in our safe place of residence. Have you been over there, did you lose someone on 9/11? I doubt it, because soldiers fighting this war and those who lost someone on 9/11 will think differently than you, as well as most americans so as an american how dare you even say you don't think it's not a big deal that people want to build this place of worship even remotely close to ground zero. Just grind a little more salt in that wound. Maybe if one of your family members gets killed by a drunk driver it should be ok that he wants to go piss on their grave and you should do or say nothing.

[George Streepy]

I don't want to sound like a liberal just pointing out my take on it. We are honored by our founding fathers everyday, with the simple things we take for granted. This country was based on the principle that all citizens are free to worship whatever religion we see fit. There have been many acts throughout time that puts a black eye on every religion (including mine). But that isn't the point, the bottom line is this is a free country. Although we have brave men and women serving abroad today, we need to respect the men and women that fought over the last 234 years to make this country what it is. Any government action to stop the building of the mosque would be spitting on the graves of the men that died for our independence. Even if the popular thing to do is to take their rights away, it is unconstitutional. I didn't write this to get any one fired up. I don't know what their motivation is, but I do know that this is a free country.

[Grzyadms4x4]

Coldtrack, I respect your opinion,but from where I sit it looks like you believe everything you hear or read on the main stream media.

"They don't talk about the positive things that have come of this war, or any of the good for that matter. My brother is on his third tour over there and says they greatly need our help and the people there love to see the soldiers and appreciate what has been done. It's war, there's going to be mistakes and lives lost. But maybe we should mind our own business, turn and look away, and just pretend that terrorism won't come and get us here in our safe place of residence."

I'm sorry, I didn't realize we were there to build a new country. I thought it was to go after the son of a bitch that supposedly masterminded the attack. We are so off base on what we are and should be doing there it's ridiculous. Do you get tired of blowing the crap out of a country and then rebuilding their country for them all the while our energy grid is crap, our bridges and levees are crumbling and we get taxed more and more for benefits we do not receive?

Yes, we should close the majority of bases around the world and mind our own business. Terrorism is a tactic not an enemy and when we stop interfering in other countries business we won't have to worry about the boogeyman called terrorism. If we practiced what we preached and led by example we wouldn't have the troubles we have today.

On a side note, do realize how many civil liberties you and I have lost in the name of protecting us from "Islamic Terrorist" under Bush AND Obama. Reminds me of the quote by Benjamin Franklin about those who give up liberties in the name of gaining a little safety deserve neither.
And do you realize how many laws our "leaders and representatives" have broken in the name of the War on Terrorism.

But let me guess, that's different, that silly old dusty constitution is antiquated and irrelevant, doesn't apply to "The War on Terrror, War on Drugs, War on Poverty, War on Illiteracy; It only applies if you want to build a mosque where I don't want it or take my guns from me. You know, when it serves YOUR interest.

And I'm not as smart as you give me credit for. I do have hounds ya know...

[grouse]

So are you saying it was the United States fault for the bombing of the trade centers ?

[Grzyadms4x4]

So are you saying it was the United States fault for the bombing of the trade centers ?

No and yes. I am not one of the people that believes the government or whatever actually orchestrated the attack, but yes with our foreign policy decisions we did cause it. We meddled, we were warned and they carried out their threat and continue to do so.

Now this is all Monday morning quarterbacking, but if we do not learn from history then we will repeat it over and over again.

[liontracker]

Do you get tired of blowing the crap out of a country and then rebuilding their country for them all the while our energy grid is crap, our bridges and levees are crumbling and we get taxed more and more for benefits we do not receive?

Yes, I for one am absolutely sick of it! As a matter of fact, if I were the Commander in Chief at the time, then I would have put every bomber the US owns, wing tip to wing tip, and made that place a glass parking lot and started flying that oil out of there for free. That whole place would be the next state in the Union and we would have a place for our excess population to move to and help eliminate the overcrowding here. But then again, it does'nt bother me in the least, to cull and cull hard, unlike the "Politically Correct".

[coadycurbow]

Do you get tired of blowing the crap out of a country and then rebuilding their country for them all the while our energy grid is crap, our bridges and levees are crumbling and we get taxed more and more for benefits we do not receive?

Yes, I for one am absolutely sick of it! As a matter of fact, if I were the Commander in Chief at the time, then I would have put every bomber the US owns, wing tip to wing tip, and made that place a glass parking lot and started flying that oil out of there for free. That whole place would be the next state in the Union and we would have a place for our excess population to move to and help eliminate the overcrowding here. But then again, it does bother me in the least, to cull and cull hard, unlike the "Politically Correct".

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[M Evertsen]

Thanks for responding guys.

I got some responses I had not anticipated.

I should have clarified that I was not talking about the government limiting where a place of worship can or can't be built, but for the congregation to have respect of those who died. I was also not aware of the type of building to be built, etc.

I also was not educated on exactly how far from Ground Zero this was proposed to be built, but did hear that the President had made a comment on it.

Later,

Marcial

[grouse]

Liontracker , i could'nt agree more with you .

[july_hound]

wow HOW ANY CHRISTIAN CAN SAY THERE FOR PUTTING UP OF ANY KIND OF OTHER RELIGOUS WORSHIP WITHIN THERE OWN COUNTRY WHICH IS A CHRISTIAN NATION IS BY FAR THE MOST HORRIBLE THING AND IDIOTIC STATEMENT I'VE EVER HEARD!!

this is a christian nation.. we are constatnly attacked for it.. thats WHY they hate us.. thats WHY we prosper over others even our bad times are 10x's greater than most of there good times... we are a christian nation and how ANY MAN can claim to be of true heart too god and jesus while allowing the very people who are tryin to kill christians to set up in our OWN NATION?! that within itself is something very horrible and WE AS A NATION need to look at.. as to why our own people are slowly moving away from god? do we not see that the farther away we move the more problems we have? 1st the gays... then the people who cheat non stop on there wifes/husbands.. then the fornication.. then people braking laws that aren't against god but against the laws of the land... aka the law that we as a nation set.. drugs etc. etc... churches are no better, they make excuses for these people.. true allow them to come worship and HERE THE TRUTH.. everything i just stated i can show verses stating that those things are against god... and as of the last 25 years its the new thing NOT to be baptised when it plainly states in mark Mark 16:16 "he that beleiveth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned" John chapter 3 the WHOLE CHAPTER IS TALKING ABOUT BEING BAPTISED.. but yet we as a nation are slowly moving from it knowing that jesus and his disciples done it and theres alot of people who GET VERY MAD AND DEFENSIVE OVER IT SO THAT SHOWS YOU ITS THE WORK OF THE DEVIL.. revelations plainly says the people have turned against him... would you allow your child to set up a mass in your house to worship the prophet ala? if so.. then i don't see how you can claim to love jesus or god.. even if you do and you openly admit you don't love jesus... then there is something wrong with you as well.. CAUSE IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN ALA THEN THEY'LL KILL YOU... some of you might wonder why i brought up the other points far as the religon.. and the reason i brought these things up is to show you that we as a NATION are moving away from god and jesus... and that we as a nation need to work together and come back to the religous belief that we need to become a great nation again... cause friends.. we are surely fallin.. and with out god and jesus.. we have nothing.. have ALOT of friends in iraq afganistan and some friends who are special forces..they tell me all the time that the muslims are constantly pushing there belif on the non believer going through killing those who don't believe in ala... NOW TRUE ITS A FREE NATION BUT THIS IS A CHRISTIAN NATION THEM RULES WERE WRITTIN FOR THE OVER POWERING CATHOLIC KINGS WHO INFORCED THERE BELIEFS FOR NOTHING BUT MONEY AND GREED ..my brother inlaw is from lebanon.. he fought in the christian muslim war over there way long ago... muslims believe alot similar to us.. they just believe jesus was a prophet not who the son of god.. which the bible plainly states he was the son of god.. i personally feel the muslims are the kaninits/can't spell it will get the correct spelling if asked... the muslims mean nothing but death... true they state they dont and that there "extremist" doing this work.. but i assure you.. its the religon within itself... i know to much to be told other wise.. to many friends in war.. to many friend from over seas.. can't trick a hound that knows when its on the rite thing.. but truth be told friends... the bible tells us all this was going to be happining.. and guess what.. this is proof of god.. telling us the future before it gets here... the world hates no other but him.. the world is burning... NEVER SAID FIRE.. JUST SAID BURNING... GLOBAL WARMING... AND LOOK OUTSIDE AT HOW DRY ITS BECOMING.. i truely believe this is the gentiles promise land and we will only have our 400 years.. lets make the best of it. funny.. they got us two times.. 1st time.. the harbor.. 2nd time new york.. 3 STRIKES AND YOUR OUT!


heres some verses stating about nations turning
PSALMS 9:17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, and ALL THE NATIONS THAT FORGET GOD
PSALMS 72:11 YEA, ALL KINGS SHALL FALL DOWN BEFORE HIM: ALL NATIONS SHALL SERVE HIM