northern utah lions

[houndnem]

Houndnem- You have no idea what you're talking about!

Take care.
Mason

on which part do I have no idea? I bet I catch as much and probably more than you do and plenty of it is up there, so that is a pretty bold statement. But go on feelin sorry for yourself and your poor conditions, in the meantime i'll be addin to my photo album! until I quit catchin I aint buyin it! I really didn't want this to turn into a pissing match, but when a guy tells me I have no idea what i'm talking about, thems fightin words! why don't you enlighten us with all of your knowlege and I'll just shut up and listen. maybe you can teach me a thing or two. by the way your profile says central utah, which I know for a fact has some of the best hunting in the state, so what are you bitchin about anyways? you want to tell me the huntin sucks there to?

[Yard Dog]

This sure sounds alot like another guy that used to post on here!!!!

[houndnem]

dam, now you're hurtin my feelings if your gona compare me to ole Ike. I will back off and apologize because I don't want to be that guy at all. it's just that my experiance with huntin, the south and the north are in about the same shape lion wise and central utah is a little better off but right behind them. I really do hunt the whole state and that is my opinion. that don't mean it is really the way it is, but it is the way I see it. that's why I got so butt hurt when rockcreek said I don't know what the hell I'm talkin about. all I can base my opinion off of is my personal experiance. so sorry to all, I'm sorry that I said your lion hunting doesn't suck up there. later Jared.

[Kevin D]

Even though I live here in the Cache, I spend a good deal of my time lion hunting in other units. Why?? Because the Cache unit sucks worse than any other area I hunt in. I think that was what Mason was trying to say. He lived here in Logan for a number of years before moving down south so he knows what the cat population is like on the Cache compared to other units in the state.

In my earlier post, I forgot to mention relatively easy access to go along with our generally good snow conditions. You can point to pretty well any mountain top, ridgeline, draw, or canyon, and I'll show you the trail to get a sled up there......and that includes the wilderness areas (woops, did I just say that?? ) You combine all that 15 years of the Cache being on a predator management plan (i.e. unlimited harvest objective tags with no female subquota) and you can begin to understand the dismal state of our lion population. Dead lions leave no tracks.

BTW Mason, Carla says she misses her little snuggy bear (??)

[walker/plott]

that's funny shit!! don't dwell on that coment man I was just joking. when I get all fired up I just speak from the heart and sometimes I bypass the brain. I catch more game than alot of the hounders down here and I'm used to being the king. not used to being questioned about my theories or the amount of game I catch. It's probably good for me to have a little opposition and keep me humble and honest. when does your next season kick off up there? we have year round coons and lions so load em up and let's go. our bear starts next week to.

we got over the counter tags on both year round units down here. we also have over the counters for all the units that runs march - june. I've said it a million times, anybody who wants to come have a good time chasin lions that is willing to put the drama to the side is more than welcome with me.

Yeah, invite them all and make sur they get those over the counter tags, king.-Gerald

[houndnem]

Well kevin, that sucks! I dont hunt cache very often, so sorry, i hope I haven't pissed you guys off. i know you guys can catch and would know if it sucked or not, but some of the guys I have heard whinning about it couldn't catch a lion even if they had it. How did this huge snow year we just had affect the lions up there? did any of them stay up in the deep snow and survive? we have a lion down in piute that stays on the tip top of the mountain all winter. there are no rabbits, deer, elk nothing! No rhyme or reason,snow is ten + feet deep up there exept the groomed snowmobile trails that he runs. but he must sneek off and eat somewhere, but he has this hound stuff figured out.

[Bplott]

we are not going to get a regulated sub quota on females!!!!! AS HOUNDSMEN we have to regulte ourselfs!!!! the newbees arent catchn lion with dogs they have trained they are buying trained dogs and a couple pups!!! nwe are kill our own life style!!!!! Thats why i wont sell a dog or a pup to anyone that lives in utah..

[Yard Dog]

Can't speak for others but I can say that the areas we hunt are not good at all. Sure there are a few cats left but they are very few and very far between. The hardest part of hunting has became finding a track. There are guys around that have been hunting the same areas for 20-30 years and when they tell you that the hunting is bad, they know what they are talking about. Not ashamed to say that the last two limited entry tags I drew, I ate. Had nothing to do with not hunting hard and everything to do with the lack of a quallity mature cat.

[dubl_t]

we are not going to get a regulated sub quota on females!!!!! AS HOUNDSMEN we have to regulte ourselfs!!!! the newbees arent catchn lion with dogs they have trained they are buying trained dogs and a couple pups!!! nwe are kill our own life style!!!!! Thats why i wont sell a dog or a pup to anyone that lives in utah..

Not to start shit here, but isn't that kind of counter productive? Instead of helping "newbies" understand how things work, help them out, and help them realize the consequences, I see you as just turning your back on them. As far as not selling a dog to anyone that lives in Utah, I guess that'll teach them

Haha, yea...so instead of trying to get new blood into the sport to build strength regarding legal battles, you just keep talking of "regulte ourselfs"

[rigit]

wow sorry to everyone that got all huffy puffy when i said northern utah lion hunt sucks. i spend almost every morning looking for lion on the cache unit during the season i go to work at 3pm get off at 12am go home gather my mutts and gear sleep for about an hour and hit the hills i spend an ass load of time and money and i can honestly say lion hunting in the cache unit blows most cats are on private land but hey it makes all the many hours and money finding a track worth it when you get your dogs out of the box to dump or free casting a canyon and it goes from extreme quiet to hounds echoing off the cayon walls then you get to the tree and there it is them dogs and yourself look like nothing else in the world matters at this point. that makes it worth the time and money to me.

[Kevin D]

We actually had a below average snow year this past season on the Cache Houndnem, most of the storms ended up going south missing us. The bright spot in a bad snow year is that the tougher conditions (by our standard anyway, you southern Utah boys would've still thought you were in heaven), meant that more lions survived. The split season has helped a bunch with our lion population, so there is room for a little optimism. Still, I remember the 40 lion trees per season average we had back in the 80's and think about how far we've regressed.

[Catman]

Kev,
I wasn't in the hound business in the 80's, but in the early 90's a fella could still catch 30+ a year just hunting mostly weekends. You even drove around till you found a tom to run.
Houndnem I don't think anyone feels sorry for themselves....they feel sorry for what the lion population statewide has become. Yes there are still lions, but nothing like they were and you know what....a guy could still shoot a 4-point buck every year back then???????????? Go figure

[HoundDawg]

we are not going to get a regulated sub quota on females!!!!! AS HOUNDSMEN we have to regulate ourselves!!!! the newbees aren't catchin lion with dogs they have trained they are buying trained dogs and a couple pups!!! We are killing our own life style!!!!!

Not to start shit here, but isn't that kind of counter productive? Instead of helping "newbies" understand how things work, help them out, and help them realize the consequences, I see you as just turning your back on them.

This sounds good on paper, and it certainly needs to happen, but what I see around here is we are not really dealing with houndsmen. We are dealing with what I call "deer hunters with dogs." Many of them young kids, many of them working for Outfitters (who will remain nameless for now) and while they are driving around with dogs in their truck on a fresh snow, they are anything but houndsmen.

To them the only good lion is a dead lion, and killing one is a heroic deed. They look for the approval of their boss and the rest of the deer hunting community. When they are around houndsmen they talk the talk, "Yup, we need to stop killing so many lions."

They are masquerading as houndsmen but they are anything but!! You can talk all you want to them, but it will not save the next 80 lb lion they tree from certain death. Because all they care about is getting the tag punched, getting their $100 dollars for gas money from the Outfitter and going back home to brag to all their deer hunting buddies.

Nothing wrong with deer hunting, I love to do it myself. But here our problem is with some houndsmen, but most of the guys doing the killing are not houndsmen, just deer hunters with dogs. All the talking in the world won't change their tune.

No sense in naming people by name, but they are all over and even on this website. And sadly, talking to them won't do anything, neither will not selling them dogs. In their eyes, what they are doing is Heroic and they should be pat on the back.

And the SFW is more than happy to oblige them!! Good job boys, now go kill another!
Pretty tough to change that mentality.

[houndnem]

Kev,
I wasn't in the hound business in the 80's, but in the early 90's a fella could still catch 30+ a year just hunting mostly weekends. You even drove around till you found a tom to run.
Houndnem I don't think anyone feels sorry for themselves....they feel sorry for what the lion population statewide has become. Yes there are still lions, but nothing like they were and you know what....a guy could still shoot a 4-point buck every year back then???????????? Go figure

That's so damn true!

Houndawg, That is true about the deer hunters with dogs. i don't even want to admit this, but that is where I started out. after I grew to love this sport I changed my way of thinking all together. I can't even get exited about hunting deer anymore. if I could chase them with my dogs I would though. I think the only way for the up and comers to make that transition is on their own. if they truely love this sport they will change after a season or two and if they don't they will have half ass dogs and eventually they will get out of it. if I had a penny for every guy that got in and out of dogs in a two year period where I hunt I would be a rich man. does anybody know what the dwrs reason is for not going to a female sub quota? it would please the bunny huggers and the houndsmen, making the deer guys the minority right? Somebody needs to start a group that could band together and push the female sub adjenda all the way through. I don't think I'm the guy to start it but I would join and support in any way that I could.

[justjared]

I'm a newer houndsmen raising dogs from puppies up trial and error I hike my ass off to cut tracks and could care less if I kill a lion would rather not I would rather look through my picture book then look at a stuffed one