100% broke dogs and pups born 100% broke???

[slowandeasy]

i try to learn more with my eyes and ears than my mouth, but i couldn't help myself. have seen some pretty amazing claims on here and truly enjoy the free entertainment. i personally have never owned a 100% broke hound, and believe those that have it's because a certain percent of the time don't have any idea what they are running. as for the puppy's not talking about the one's that have disposition's that you don't have to wear out a shock collar on. you know the ones i'm talking about.they come from generations that chase one type of critter and gosh darn it thats all their going to do. come on lets hear from ya. i know ya can't resist. but remember there are alot people out there that have worn a little leather off the tree, and worn out their share of boots in search a little humor. have fun should be intresting

[larry]

Don't think they exist, even the best ones will surpise ya sometimes, not often, but it will happen. I've seen the company of other dogs deciding its ok to trash make the more reliable ones go ahead and join in also in situations that i don't think they would have otherwise.

[Trueblue]

I don't really know if there are hounds out there that are 100% broke but I do know that I have never owned one.I hunted my dogs on bear all summer with virtually no trash problems except one coyote race and last week on the same day that my hounds treed their 50th bear of the season ,they went and ran an elk.Still scratching my head over that one.

[houndnem]

I would rather have a pup born with so much desire that it's hell to brake them than a dog that lacks the curiosity and drive to trash. One of the old timers from down here told me " I wouldn't own a dog that wouldn't chase a deer the first couple years out". now granted deer and elk chases are a pain in the a$$, but tri tronics will get em back for ya most times. I don't belive there are many dogs that are 100% broke, but the older they get trash races are far and few between. if a dog never learns the correct game you want him to chase, time to cull and get that brain dead sob outa your blood. jmo.

[George Streepy]

I have hunted with some pretty clean dogs, but they weren't mine. I have a couple dogs that are 95% broke.

At the start of every season I get a coyote race that takes even the finished dogs with them. That is usually it for the finished dogs, one at the start and they are reminded that I am paying attention. The rest of season the finished dogs will rat out any younger dogs that can't control temptation. I know their are some dandy dogs out there, but I am one to believe that you can't trust any of them, not even the best ones.

[PIGLET]

I have had quite a few broke young dogs, they wouldn't chase anything and are no longer in my pack!lol I just like to hear the dogs singing and theres nothing better than a good deer or moose race for that! Yeah a bobcat or lion they sing pretty good, but i love those young dogs that really get after that moose, especially if they get him bayed up in a creek bottom, makes your adrenaline really go!lmao

[grouse]

Well slow and easy i do happen to know what my coonhounds run and that is coon . they don't run deer ,fox ,rabbit ,porkupine ,possum or any other thing then what they were trained to run , not saying that they never did in the process of training ,but i make it a point to teach them right from wrong right out of the gate . My buddies who get pups will go out with me and their dogs will take the above mentioned critters and my dogs never let out a whimper . So if your older dogs are still trashing you better reevaluate your training methods .

[plottpappaw]

i will claim to have one. but she is ten and has been worked on constantly.

[George Streepy]

Mr Grouse,
Your coon dogs ever run or trail a coon and not catch it?


I have been privileged to see some very good hound mens dogs work. I know of dogs that sold for $6000+ that would still fall to temptation from time to time. Granted trash races are few and far between but I don't think I can remember a dog that I would call 100% broke. The bobcat hunters I started hunting with considered lions trash. Their dogs would still pop one up every now and then. Trashy bastards!

I am sure there are some dogs that don't trash very often, but to say never is a bold statement. I am always reevaluating my training methods, heck they change with each young dog that comes around, but I will deal with a couple trash races a season as long as I continue to catch enough to make me happy.

[grouse]

Yeah Mr George my dogs have run a coon and not caught it , but i was damn sure it was coon . Is that supposed to be a trick question ? George if you want some trash breaking tips feel free to p.m me My hunting time is vailable so i don't have time pissing around chasing trashrunners . Hope you guy's are being entertained enough .

[retired]

Well slow and easy i do happen to know what my coonhounds run and that is coon . they don't run deer ,fox ,rabbit ,porkupine ,possum or any other thing then what they were trained to run , not saying that they never did in the process of training ,but i make it a point to teach them right from wrong right out of the gate . My buddies who get pups will go out with me and their dogs will take the above mentioned critters and my dogs never let out a whimper . So if your older dogs are still trashing you better reevaluate your training methods .

grouse
I have walked behind some mite fine coon hounds nite champs grand nits and world champs and dam few would not take a deer with three others going all out on it and i think that if you think hard about it you will agree

[grouse]

I have been around the competion circut myself and we all know how that game is played. Running a deer would be the last thing i would worry about my dogs running.

[George Streepy]

No Grouse, it isn't a trick question, pretty straight forward one. I am sure your dogs are plenty clean. I am good on the trash breaking tips, my dogs are just as broke as the next guys. I would be more interested in knowing your tricks on how to convince yourself that your dogs are damn sure running a coon, when you never saw it. I worry about it all season, even though my dogs only trash a couple times a year.

This isn't meant to be disrespectful at all, I have hunted with guys that claim their dogs never run trash, comments like that just make their face that much redder when it happens.

One time three guys are hunting together, all our dogs are trailing along doing ok. One of the guys that was always saying how clean his dogs were started commenting how is dogs were breaking off to the right and ours better get with them. A couple minutes later his dogs brought that buck right past the trucks. All my dogs stuck with the cat, got it treed a while later. Every time I see that guy, I can't help but smile.

[dwalton]

All dogs will run what ever there owners will tolerate.If you have the pup trained before he is taken to the woods he is easy to break. If he is not or he is hard headed enough to cause you trash trouble he is NOT breeding material. We have enough hard headed dogs now. Why make more work for our shelves. I have seen experienced hound men listen to a race and in minutes tell you they are running trash. Trash running is laziness or ignorance own our part. WE all do it to some degree with young dogs. Trashy dogs is the refection of there owners not the dogs. We are the brain it is our job to get them to do right. Now a story as to what can happen. I was on a lion hunt with two of my top dogs that had seen a lot of game. I tree a lion up on the Olympic Peninsula at night in the bluffs. I walk in two different ways and could not get to them that night. Headed in the next morning. The dogs had been on it most of the day and all night treed. They came to me before I got to the tree. I hissed them back up wanting them to go back. They looked at me ,went up a little ways them sold out. When I found them they were swimming in a lake baying a elk. Who did wrong the dogs or me. The old cat hunter that I mentored under told me many times never hiss a dog, if you have to talk them into running it you probably don't want to run it. I love working the young dogs getting the best out of them. Dewey

[George Streepy]

Dewey,
I am with you on the hissing thing, I bought a couple dogs that were broke off lions, I would have to hiss them to get them to take the track. I felt stupid doing it. But after a few trees they had come around to know it was ok to run them. Still wouldn't strike them from the truck though. Your dogs must have known who the boss was, I don't think I could hiss mine good enough to run an elk.