Hound growly in box can anyone help?

[psebow08]

Hi all,
I have a hound that is growly in the box with another male dog and fights, i have had him for a few months now and this has started within the last few times i have hunted him. Also the last time i took him him and the same dog that were in the box incontinent the previous night were barking in a briar bush and ended up barking and growling at each other. I know what all of you are thinking that it is the all so famous alligator but that simply isnt the case, he can be on a tree with dogs jumoing all over him and around him an he wont say a ill word, this really bugs me due to the fact of he isnt/hasnt been a ill dog and if so I wouldnt be having this conservation right now cause I would have gotten rid of him. I really hate to do that cause he is comming on great but i dont know how long i can deal with this, please anyone with any helpful info feel free to let me know i am rather new to this but anyone who has done this long enough has seen it all so please help.

thanks cody

[Emily]

Don't put him in the same compartment as another male dog. Don't put him in a dirty dog box. If a dog pees in the box, clean it before putting another dog in. If you don't have a spare compartment and he isn't well enough behaved to ride in the cab with you, leave him home. Build him a small box that only he uses.
Think about it--if someone put you in a bed where someone else had peed wouldn't you be annoyed with the perp?
Some dogs get territorial in confined spaces, and some dogs are just annoying. I have one little hound that is very restless. I won't put him in the same box with any hound other than my other hound that knows him well. He's a pain in the butt and all his squirming, getting up and turning around and flopping down annoys other dogs. He's not ill, he's just impossible to share a confined space with, and will respond to a challenge from another dog.

[twist]

Not to start anything but seperating him from other dogs is not correcting the problem. He needs to be educated real fast and let him know it is not tolerated it will take a firm butt whippin, if you catch it early enough it may be corrected but if left unattended it will only progress.

[larry]

sometimes the problen can't be corrected, and two males that hate each other are fine hunting with other males, just not each other.

[coadycurbow]

I would see if he liked it better in the box with the other dog, or tied to the tail gate with me and limb in my hand.

[tntoutfitting]

Try loading him last EVERY time. If he is already loaded and you want to load another male he growls at unload him first, load the other dog THEN him....EVERYTIME so he is last in. Evaluate that repeated many times over and you just may solve your problem though it is a bit of extra effort.

The BIG BANG THEORY is always a last option.

Try the first and let me know.........

[psebow08]

Thank you all for your comments. I may have been a little vague before, it insnt as if I haven't tried anything already I whipped him several times during the course of the deal with the growling and fighting in the box that night I just don't get why it is the one dog he does this with this far( I haven't had him in the box with another male since if it continues with another dog he will be history) cause I've had him with other males in the box an he is fine. And up until the night after the box fighting incident he hadn't had any attitude problems in the woods but him an the same dog had a small growling session. I hope this can be fixed maybe it is as one of you said the two digs may not like each other. Don't get me wrong I'm not passed a little hands on correction but I was just wondering if that was smart to physically correct a dogs attitude that was ticked off to begin with or would a little electricty be better. Thank you all again

[Benny G]

Electricity is ALMOST always better. If the two dogs are in a confined space, DON'T shock only one of them. This could cause a major issue, sometimes even resulting in a pile up on one dog from all the rest. Then your issues would only become compounded. In order to get your point accross, I would suggest that both dogs get the shock "therapy" together. With a little time and consistency, you may be able to stop schooling one, and just focus on the most hard headed dog. Good luck, and remember that to be the Alpha, you need to win EVERY time.

[cat and bear]

Like Benny said, one will be the alpha male. First determine if the alpha male is the one you want to keep in the end. Once again, this stuff starts, and can be corrected at the kennel. I would put shock collars on both of them, put them in a kennel together, and see who the problem is, and how he is doing it. Let them find out who is dominate, the end result, seperate them, when feeding time, make them eat together in the kennel, and understand you wont tolerate their bad mannors. Then work on the box in the yard, and watch for the same signs. I've made them stay in the box all night, to understand they will get along. Some dogs will be smart to all of this, and wait for the woods, to bring the bad habits out. After kennel work, if this happens, they wont be around period.

One word of caution, if you have a outstanding male, and the new one wants to be dominate, I wouldnt put him through any of this, to ruin your good dog, take the other for a walk. LOL

[sheimer]

I don't really know the best answer for a dog that hates another but here's a story......

My brother has an older stock dog that has never been taught not to fight. My brother always thought it was cool when his dog beat another dog in a fight so he never corrected it. My border collie is a good dog that has been taught not to fight(butt whoopin for fighting). My brother's dog will shadow and poke at him till he will fight back. My dog will get scolded every time. But, he won't back down from the other dog either. Who's at fault? My dog isn't picking the fight, but he can't avoid it either. If they were in a dog box the fight would be on for sure.

Point being, your dog may just be standing his own ground against another that's poking at him. Check the company he's keeping to see if that's the trouble.

My solution is to not let them around each other and there is no trouble from my dog whatsoever.

Dogs are like people in the fact that I don't like some people and I just avoid them to prevent the fight that surely would come if we hung out together.

Scott

[sourdough]

First off how old are these males? Dogs, from puppies start showing their rank among one another at the food bowl. By the time a male or female reaches a year and a half and older they start accreting their sexual rank among one another in hopes of being the alpha they will test one another and you though not in the same way for submission and compliance often. We are the pack leader and the “ALPHA” dog in the pack and all aggression needs to be dealt with and handed out to both dogs or you will have a true hatred made among those two and someone will get hurt trying to brake up a dog fight. Punishment is handed out equally and right now to both. That will assert your dominance over them and the on lookers, as dogs learn by observation through body language. So, when you use that voltage use your voice in anger and get in the middle of it don’t just use the trainer from inside the cab of your pick up and call it good. In the wild, pack aggression is dealt with by the Alpha. Those that don’t comply are killed by the stronger male and the pack, or driven from the pack to find their own way, there is an advantage of being part of the pack and our domestic dogs still have pack structure ingrained deep in their genetic make up so take advantage of it and become the leader!

Sourdough

[Emily]

My minority opinion: If its only two specific dogs that have a problem with each other, they need to work it out between them. Whenever you add a dog to the pack, he's going to have to figure out his place in it. A lot of times, once they've settled which is dominant, they're not going to keep challenging (unless the loser is the equivalent of a human teenager-- one to three years for hounds. teenagers keep testing) .
For example, when I brought my second hound home, the hound I already had felt the need to straighten him out after a few days. There was blood, but nothing remotely fatal. After the one incident, they became best friends.
If you don't think this hound is ill in any way, give them a chance to work it out with each other under supervision. Put the shock collars on so you can separate them if you have to, but let them figure out which is dominant, and respect their view of the matter. You don't want to lose your dominance over both, but hounds are bred to work as a team and while they may quarrel, many hounds are able to respect each others' strengths and weaknesses. My hounds know I trust their noses and they trust my brains. They both know which one is better on coon and which is better on bear, and switch off roles depending on what they're hunting....

[bayhard1]

i hunt hogs in texas and i run alot of gritey cur dogs a cattle hot shot will fix that sh*t after a time or two all they have to do is hear it now my dogs dont blow out of the box they get called out one at a time thanks harry texas

[latoshiarhea]

i had the same problem with two female dogs. i tried everything i could think of. eventually i had to just separate the two. they refused to get along. one rode in the cab and the other in the dog box.