GPS in California

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Tim,

You have valid points to argue but the dfg wardens are set in their ways and it will be difficult to argue with a kid who went to Berkley and has never hunted a day in there life.

CHC is working to change that; CHC partnered with the Department to host a bear hunting clinic for the second year in a row, and in addition to showing the students how to skin a bear, we had a chance to talk about the mechanics, ethics, and inherently sporting nature of hound hunting; among the students were several warden cadets.

Its also tough to argue them when they are taught in their warden school that the biggest poachers are houndsmen.

CHC is also working to change this; I've been invited by Nancy Foley, Chief of Enforcement, to speak at the Academy about hound hunting specifically so as to foster a favorable opinion of hound hunting before the new wardens are jaded in the field.

I know of guys who were not even hunting but they had a hound wearing gps and got into trouble over it.

Can you please provide me with the docket numbers of these cases, or the names and contact information of those involved?

It justs shows the HSUS true colors even more when I can not protect my hound. You think they would want us to be able to protect our hounds by using gps. Even for the game its better. We can get there sooner, evaluate if its something that we want and decide to take it or let it go. Stop the pack before they get in a hwy or even private land. Its a win win so it doesn't make sense that we can't use them unless the goal is to make all houndsmen illegal by slicing away at us.

Bingo. These are all very good arguments, and ones I used in statements to both the HSUS over coffee and to the Commission during hearings concerning the GPS proposal. What is important to understand is that, at the heart of the HSUS philosophy, there is a fundamental contempt towards dogs, cats, and other animals of our making. They believe that, because these species were created by humans, and in consideration of the fact that we don't truly belong on this planet, these species are also unnatural and don't belong here either. Wayne Pacelle, CEO of HSUS, has made statements in the past indicating his preference that these species die out...thus, their aggressive efforts against private and unregulated breeding of dogs and cats veiled under the guise of campaigns against puppy mills and euthanasia/overpopulation. Wayne Pacelle is no fool, and has learned from the mistakes of PETA's Founder, Ingrid Newkirk; honest and candid elaborations of this philosophy will alienate the American Mainstream and earn you the reputation as a crackpot. Accordingly, Pacelle purports himself as a lover of "companion animals" and promotes HSUS commercials involving abundant reference to the plight of cats and dogs all the while counting on the public-who understandably assumes the HSUS is affiliated with their local humane shelter-to give money to saving abused dogs and cats. He then uses these donations in their efforts to ban hunting, ranching practices, circuses, and other human enterprises involving the use of animals. Not only does the public not understand their true intent, but I am convinced that many, if not most, of HSUS employees and members do not know about it either.
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RIFLEMAN wrote:livetohunt,

I applaud you for having that attitude. I am approached regularly at the gas station or restaurant by people wanting to pet the dogs, ask questions about them, or take their picture, and I am all to eager to accommodate them. During the conversation, however short it may be, I make sure to give my sales pitch about hound hunting being entirely natural (the ancestor of the game was running from the ancestor of the hound and their relationship has evolved over time) and the only form of catch and release hunting (in that the emphasis is on the dogs and the majority of houndsmen release the majority of the game they tree alive and unharmed. I find that most of these people are pleasantly surprised to hear these facts about hound hunting, and it is my hope that this small opportunity at education, and the fact that my dogs were friendly and I was not an ignorant, greasy, uneducated slob will allow them to see through whatever lies and spin that the anti's show in a 30-second commercial petitioning for the banning of hound hunting.

Folks, we must all be ambassadors of our sport if it is to survive. Being reclusive and introverted isn't going to cut it anymore, and keeping to yourself or "minding your own business" is short-sighted at best and selfish at worst.




Rifleman, I completely agree with you and I applaud your actions on these issues.
If all houndsmen could do half of what some do for our sport we wouldnt have some of the problems we have. Thank you for your contributions.
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Rifleman: Your last paragraph pretty much sums it up as to Houndsmen being our own worst enemies . My sister is a retired attorney that still does some PRO-BONO work for the Sierra Club . As radical as some of these GREEN WEENIES can get , When presented with the facts that Houndsman do infact DO a lot for the Enviorment and certain Houndsmen do work with the Game enforcement ,local and State Police agencies with Blood Hounds doing Search and Rescue . It gives a better perspective to the Masses that fund the Anti Orgs . Many times I have gotten responses back from people that were UN-AWARE of all the GOOD we do . Hopefully their EDUCATION will be Passed on to others
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Hi Bob,

You'll likely be interested to know what a California chapter of the Sierra Club is working on out here...

http://www.visaliatimesdelta.com/apps/p ... 0109270315
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Thanks Rifleman I will forward that to my sister . Currently she is involved with the BP oil spill deal with the Sierra Club
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I did recieve an email from a game warden, I originally emailed Marc Kenyon Statewide Coordinator Bear, Mountain Lion & Wild Pig Programs California. He did not have an answer as to if you could at least use gps for training, so he forwarded my email to Michael P. Carion Law Enforcement Division Northern Enforcement District Chief. He said because it was persuit, ti was illegal. I had previously recieved an email from fish and game saying there was a proposal coming out early 2011 about bear hunting, but he did not know if the topic of GPS would be in it/
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I try to always inform all non hound hunting people that I run into about the truth when it comes to tracking collars. I let them know the facts that 90% of the time I dont use them to find my dogs treed. That 90% of the time its used to find dogs when things dont go as planned and we have a lost dog. I also let them know how nice the GPS collars are and how many dogs could be saved if we could use them here in California. And the 10% of the time I do have to use use the tracking collars its when the dogs have run many ridges over and can no longer hear them. That it does not tell me where they are treed only give me an idea where to start looking for them.
I can say that 100% of the people that I have talked with about this think that anything we can use to help keep our dogs from getting lost should be used in our state. Many of them have been non hunters and some of them have been against hunting with hounds due to the lies and lack of facts they have been given.
Take the time to tell them and to show them that the use of GPS collars can and will save the lives of many dogs. Many of them only have the lies PETA, HSUS and the other anti groups are telling to go on, most have no idea. We need these people on our side for this fight.
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blong,

I had previously recieved an email from fish and game saying there was a proposal coming out early 2011 about bear hunting, but he did not know if the topic of GPS would be in it/

CHC is working on it.
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Rifleman and many others who replied, Thankyou. I wish I could word these facts and information to the public as well as others. I do my best to portray our sport and our dogs in a positive manner but im just not that quick when put on the spot. I often get frustrated with the ignorance of people when they ask. Most people think the use of our dogs is inhumane. Most believe we put them in harms way for our own "bloodsport". I relay the catch and release philosophy and tell them that I hunt FOR my dogs. I tell them my dogs are athletes and to just keep them at home as my personal pets for my own amusment in a way is inhumane. For them to be happy and fulfilled they need to hunt. Its their ability and in their blood.

One day GPS will hopefully be legal and hopefully be more reliable. When it does come legal I will certainly be using it. They are my pets, companions, and partners in the sport we love. They deserve all the tools we can use to get them home at the end of the day.
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Big Boar Stopper: Very well put ,That is the way a majority of us feel
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