Plotts downfalls running coyotes?

[sawtooth]

Bearcat next time you have a liter let me know would ya, I'd like to get my hands on some more mathes blood. Especially if they are born killing coyotes, that would make training much easier!

[LCK]

I have had three that were exceptional and one that was ok. The first two were from Eugene Walker, Pocohontas breed, the third was a Whitehollow bred dog from Tenn. Thes three Plotts were no excuse dogs from start to finish on yotes. I have gone through several more that were just average or not worth the effort. A GOOD Plott in any race is a very nice thing to have.

[Nolte]

And they are naturally trashy when their young (I swear they are all born liking coyotes) if they get after a coyote and I don't get them stopped they will run down and catch and kill 90% in 1-2 hours.

I'd keep hush hush about this. If you keep talking like this you'll have a line guys from your house to WI trying to get dogs that can run down 90% of yotes in 1-2 hours. Unless you've got the once a decade catch snow, I've never seen dogs that catch 90% of yote tracks. Or even 90%of jumped yotes. Most need the help of some buckshot to slow them down. I know guys who have been looking for a LONG time. This is for woods yote hunting, not farmland. Still that's a big % for farm hunting.

[bearcat]

Ok, this would be jumped 'yotes, since they are trash to me I have never cold trailed them, only ones I run are accidental. I know that will also skew the numbers, because if the dogs haven't caught it in an hour or two, I will generally have figured out what the dogs are running and caught them. I run a lot of young dogs at times so I do run some coyotes but obviously nothing like somebody who hunts them intentionally. I might go a year without running one, then have a bunch of young dogs coming on and run half a dozen in a few months. I know that I grew up on the coast and I don't know if it was just the terrain, but over there it was unusual for dogs to catch coyotes. Here it is woods hunting, but the brush isn't as thick and the dogs can run faster. I know I ran 3 coyotes this bear season, one this spring I shocked the dogs off of, and two the last two weeks of the fall bear season, both of them were caught in just over an hour.
I always said if a dog can run down a coyote regularly and catch it, when you get him broke he'll be able to catch about anything you turn him on.
Not trying to bad mouth anybodies dogs or brag on my own (though of course I think they're the best or I'd be hunting something else ) I probably shouldn't have mentioned numbers, because like I said they are skewed.

[not color blind]

I always said if a dog can run down a coyote regularly and catch it, when you get him broke he'll be able to catch about anything you turn him on.

You said a mouthful there.

[Nolte]

Bearcat,

I sort of blindsided you with that post. A very large % of WI hound hunters work some sort of construction gig where they get laid off in the winter. So once they are done with work and our deer seasons are done, they start hunting. Our cat seasons are short OR you don't have a tag so a LOT of guys switch over to hunting yotes with their bear dogs. It can create some switchover problems in during bear season, but not as bad as a guy would think. In any case these guys run a pile of yotes and whack a bunch of them. They've got a good idea on what it takes to be a good yote dog. Most will tell you that just any 1-3 year old dog will catch 90% of jumped yotes, if any.

A dog that can run the heck out of yotes will make runner bear look a lot easier. You won't find a more action packed run than a good yote run. It can be dawn to dark, cross darn near the entire county, and the entire time everyone is gunned up trying to to end it. And many times the coyote wins, which just shows you how cagey they can be.

[deadon4]

I have had three that were exceptional and one that was ok. The first two were from Eugene Walker, Pocohontas breed, the third was a Whitehollow bred dog from Tenn. Thes three Plotts were no excuse dogs from start to finish on yotes. I have gone through several more that were just average or not worth the effort. A GOOD Plott in any race is a very nice thing to have.

I have 2 littermate males from Eugene. They are only 15 months old and are developing well. Each weighs 71# and have the speed of any other hound. He knows the breed as well as anyone in the country.

[lifreediver]

swampdriver how fast do they catch them how many do ya catch a year and is it in the snow thanks lifreediver

[SWAMPDRIVER]

swampdriver how fast do they catch them how many do ya catch a year and is it in the snow thanks lifreediver

yea we do hunt the snow. Jan And Feb, Last year we hunted pretty hard up until quiet season middle of April. Howl located after the snow was gone. We catch 35- 40 pretty consistent during Jan & Feb. We hunt every day no matter what the weather does at that time. A far as how fast we catch them? that depends on Yes, how deep the snow is for starters and how many dogs we have available to hunt that day. We try to make a chase last as long as possible. Usually for the benefit of young dogs. If we are running the open farm country we may have a crossing, pick up a dog. and drop it back in maybe 2 crossings later. I should say we are not always successful catching dogs at crossings, but we try A little different than a lot of guys like to do it but we enjoy it that way the most. I spend most of my time in the timber with the dogs usually don"t even have a gun I pulled the trigger on one coyote last year. That one had mange. later SD.

[Nolte]

SWAMPDRIVER

Do you guys have a lot of sled trails where you hunt. We've got a few areas that got them and those things really can screw up the dogs. Those yotes figure out to run down them, jump off and then circle back on them. It takes a pretty sharp dog to figure that stuff out.

Also, do you see a different catch % in the timber vs farmland? Timber hunting here, you can hunt all day and not see the yote. You feed dogs in on the track or to where the dog is trailing, which might be 10 minutes behind the yote. Wolves have made these yotes much smarter, since they are trying to kill them 24-7 all year long. You better have your stuff figured out if you are going to catch one that has been able to survive for a few years.

[SWAMPDRIVER]

Nolte, We have had the sled trail experience, although we are not that far North to get into a lot of it, We do hunt the State Land but where we are no orv's allowed as a matter of fact MDNRE closed all the two tracks to foot traffic only in the areas we hunt last year, makes it a lot tougher, They say they don't have the money to maintain them anymore. Yea we do a lot more running and less catching in the big woods. Still better than going to work The problems we have in the farm country are the wind blowing in the tracks, very fast some days. and the deer yarding up. We ran through one big section last year and Couldn't even count the deer coming out there was so many, And usually the coyote will be running right with them. Coyotes get in the deer runways and can really give us a rough time. Alot of our chases end on the rivers and creeks, They like to get on the ice when they get tired. I've always heard if a coyote survives two winters where there is hunting pressure they are pretty hard to catch. We have a dark black bugger we have chased for 4 yrs. straight and can't get him caught.

[wiblueboy]

I had a plott i ran on coyotes. Really could not keep up with my walkers and blueticks. But he sure made up for it when they caught a yote. Cant get much more grit than a plott thats outta straight bear dogs

[Steve White]

I run some of my Plotts on yotes. When conditions are right they will catch. We hunt in snow only. So that has it's problems. The sight hounds in this country are useless, and cannot keep up with a Plott. Just way to thick. Perhaps when they hit the open of a lake, but even then the Plotts will run the yotes down. It's always fun to see the yotes hit a lake when the dogs are close. The gap get narrowed real quick. Biggest problem is when the yotes can stay on top of a crust, and the dogs cannot. Then they get behind. Here in WI though we cannot allow dogs to molest any game. So they are shot most of the time in front of the dogs.

[53ksm]

ive got a plott hes fast in the yard chasing around with my bird dogs but when he gets on a track he slows way down to track. makes a great jump dog though.