Bread for weight gain???

michigan gunner · Post by **michigan gunner** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 12:49 am

I have a B&T that I have ben running coyotes. She is just skinny as a rail. Ben pouring the feed to her with no gain. I have wormmed her several times & is worm free. She still has good stamina, ran a yote for over 5 hrs last weekend????
Will feeding bread help with weight gain??? Or do they need more meat protien? I have ben told by a couple of hounds man to feed them there regular food along with bread ( for carbs ) will put the weight on them.
Any harm in this???

easttenngator · Post by **easttenngator** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 1:38 am

Yes ...bread in small amounts over time or in large doeses with most likely brew a huge batch of yeast in your dog.

Bread is full of nothing....but cooking rice with egg or cooking rice in cheap beer and adding egg will do alot more good than just the bread.

Please remember that each dog is like us humans I am 6 foot 5 and wiegh 180 and that is my hunting weight...my brother is 6 foot 2 and 220 is his hunting wieght.
Make sure your dog needs the wieght and that it is just not your eye or your brain telling you that is not how the dog looked when is wesnt running

easttenngator · Post by **easttenngator** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 1:39 am

damnit I need to use spell check

plottdogs · Post by **plottdogs** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 4:42 pm

The bread may put weight on them but not the kind you want. You want muscle so go with protein, meat, rice etc. The bread will mostly turn to sugar and just put fat and not muscle on them. Think about people giving hogs bread and what it does to them! JMO I am like gator, I boil my dogs rice and add to their food in the winter or when hunted hard.

POORBOY · Post by **POORBOY** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 7:39 pm

Get some ground corn.
Put in some grease with water, boil it.
When feeding, mix in hot water, raw eggs, calf milk replacer.

Made my own dog food for about ten years.

200 pounds of corn
50 pounds of meat scraps ( good luck finding them now).
50 pounds of rolled oats.

Bought water bucket heaters.
Filled feeders with this ground mixture.
Never had one starve.
Could hunt them all night on this feed.

Weaned one litter of pups feeding this soaked somewhat as above.
About ten years of age they had trouble digesting it.

Jerry

Arkansas Frog · Post by **Arkansas Frog** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 8:17 pm

Raw chicken like thighs, if you get it at Sams club or the other place Costco

it is about 50 cents # about the same as dog food, but try raw chicken.

POORBOY · Post by **POORBOY** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 9:42 pm

Chicken bones are hollow. they shatter when bitten.
Lost a good dog a couple of days after a cookout and someone feed the dogs scraps.
I will not feed them to my dogs!

Jerry

Melanie Hampton · Post by **Melanie Hampton** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 9:48 pm

POORBOY wrote:Chicken bones are hollow. they shatter when bitten.
Lost a good dog a couple of days after a cookout and someone feed the dogs scraps.
I will not feed them to my dogs!

Jerry

Dogs cannot and should not eat cooked chicken bones because they splinter. Raw ones do not splinter and are fine..

I learned that from a lady I work with who has raised and showed Corgis for about 30 years.. She has been raw feeding for most of those years..

michigan gunner · Post by **michigan gunner** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 10:10 pm

Why is rice that much different than bread? Seems like they both would be full of carbs??
When you say eggs & meat scraps are you cooking them?
On the days that you are running them is some bread in the morning like a boost for the day?
I am on my first season wit the big dogs, never had trouble keeping weight on the beagles.
Thanks for any help...gunner

easttenngator · Post by **easttenngator** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 11:40 pm

Iam pretty sure this is right

bread is a simple carb and not good for you

and rice is a complex carb much better for you

and we go back to the yeast rice needs to be cooked and fermented to start "cooking" making yeast

bread is already cooked and has active yeast already

old bess · Post by **old bess** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 12:21 am

Had a simaler problem with one of my hounds and the vet told me to add la tablespoon of lard to their feed. It worked pretty well. It had something to do with the way they digest stuff the lard would get digested first allowing the food to stay longer. Something like that anyways. All I know is it worked pretty good.

POORBOY · Post by **POORBOY** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 5:01 am

Melanie, did not know that.
Thank You!

Gator
I think you are close.
My Uncle was in Korea.
The local population was starving.
White rice, ( processed ) was delivered.
They were eating all they could of it and starving to death.
Complex Carbs are in non refined food, i think.

Jerry

Candianblueboy · Post by **Candianblueboy** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 9:22 am

I feed fresh butcher scraps to my dogs that we are running every day on the yotes up here and they are staying in top shape. My grandfather used to feed the dogs Midlines {not sure if that is the right spelling} but it is fine ground wheat like flour and you mix it with warm water. Another thing a lot of guys forget is that during the cold weather and a dog running that they need fresh water as we all know it takes alot of snow to make water. This could be one reason the dog is looseing weight as not all dogs will eat enough snow. Rice is great for the dogs and is cheap in 50 lb bags {just remember to cook it and add the dogs favorite sauce.}

michigan gunner · Post by **michigan gunner** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 12:54 am

Don't think water is the problem. I always give them water over there food in cold weather. They drink all the water then eat the kibble. I have ben giving her meat scraps. This has helped, along with terrible weather last weekend that give her a break.
Where do you get 50 # of rice from?

plottdogs · Post by **plottdogs** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 1:58 pm

I got mine from Sam's. I think I got it in a 20 # burlap bag. Believe me 20 # is a lot of rice. I am a believer in it being good for the dogs. Don't rinse it or anything just get the water boiling and pour in the amount you want and let boil for abiut two minutes and then let soak a little and pour over the food. It really expands so allow enough water. Yes the rice is a complex protein. I figured if all the high dollar foods have it in them then it must be good. Cheap and effective.