Cold nosed plotts

Mike Leonard · Post by **Mike Leonard** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 10:48 pm

I have owned and hunted Pioneer, Weems, Cascade, Dollins, plotts in the past . I ran into a few that were pretty cold nosed, and others that were medium. I was just wondering what others had found in this category with these and other strains. I haven't had much expereince with Kamphouse, Swampland, or some of the other lines, and would just like to know general opinions on nose. Grit, tree, and stamina are other attributes that are also very important, but I will save those for other discussions right now I am asking about cold trail ability.

Oh I will say this to start things out. I had 85 pound beautiful long earned plotts from Dale Brandenburger years back, and they were good dogs and caught game, but my coldest nosed plott to date was a son of Bearpath Gunner by a double bred Butch Jill Weems bitch. Great all around dog, and I loved him. Too bad sombody stole him when he was five. I just hope they treated him well.

nmplott · Post by **nmplott** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 2:23 am

Mike,
Blackwater are also some cold nosed plotts. I have some 75+ pounders from this line in my yard now.
Stephen

JJL · Post by **JJL** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 2:47 am

I would have to say the dollin's line pruduces the on average the more cold nosed plotts. Which go back to brandenburgers and pioneer blood. Just my opinion and what i choose to feed.

reed · Post by **reed** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 3:49 pm

Mike I don't know what a cold nosed dog is necessarily but I have a one year old male from the Nabek breeding that I think can move an older track. Two weeks ago I started a bobcat track with him that I thought was from that morning. Looked real crisp in the snow. Like I said not a super judge on cold nose so don't know how much the snow was playing a factor. Also it was over cast and below freezing, low teens to upper single digits.(thats cold isn't it :lol:

) Any way he started the track but didn't give much mouth if any. We trailed for about an hour to an hour and a half and still he didn't move it exrtemely fast but wasn't stradling either. He sure wasn't walking the track. But I was getting frustrated with him as to no mouth. We past a bed and got hung up there a little as well and then he straigtened it out but a little slower. Then we hit and area that the sun was hitting the day before and I found a track that was melted out so I called it day figureing that the tracks were from the day before at least because the sun wasn't out to melt the track that day. Like I said in my limited experience I could have interpreted the situation wrong and be totally off base.

Smiley · Post by **Smiley** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 12:22 am

From my personal experiences the Bluff creek line and dollins line ( of which I have seen the most of have had very good results in the track mindedness department . I also have seen great inteligence in the Bluff creek dogs . As you know BP Gunner came from The Bluff creek line .
I have been very impressed with the Ursus and nabeck dogs I have seen but have not been around as many of them to give a fasir evaulation stacked up to the others lines .

Smiley · Post by **Smiley** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 12:23 am

Mike who was the damm to your Gunner dog?

Gamegetter · Post by **Gamegetter** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 12:42 am

If you want a Plott with a super nose I wouldn't look pass the Pocahontas line for a second. I've got two males that are Pocahontas and they strike a bear off the rig really well. Ones a lil' over 3 years old and the other is 2.5. Great noses. Can't ask for much better......Perkey

Mike Leonard · Post by **Mike Leonard** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 12:29 pm

Smiley,

I would have to dig back in the paper box if I can fine Bearpath Hawk's pedigree. It seems it was Sally because I named a littermate bitch from the same litter after her.

I will check if I can find them, been 20 years or so.

Blue Man · Post by **Blue Man** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 12:46 pm

I have had 1 Plotts that was cold nosed. He was a Weems, Shamrock, Pioneer, and Brandanburger. He was rigging Bear way before any of my dogs. He also rigged my only Lion track in New Mexico. But he only lived to be 3 years old and lost him to a Bear in Utah.

BEARCLAW · Post by **BEARCLAW** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 4:52 am

HEY MIKE, JUST A LITTLE BIT CURIOUS AS TO WHY YOUR CURIOUS. I KNOW YOU ARE A TRI COLOR FAN!

IM GOING TO HAVE TO AGREE WITH SMILEY, AND THAT DONT HAPPEN VERY OFTEN. :lol:

THE BLUFF CREEK LINE REALY SEEMS TO HAVE THE DESIRE TO COLD TRAIL AND WORK AN OLD TRACK. THE DOLLINS PLOTTS SEEM TO HAVE A FAIR NOSE TO, WITH A LOT OF GRIT. CANT VOUCH FOR ANY OF THE OTHER BREEDS YET BUT WE ARE IN THE PROCESS.

I HAD A PLOTT THAT CAME OUT OF ONE OF SMILEY'S FEMALES HE HAD A MIXTURE OF BLUFF CREEK, BEARPATH, DOLLINS AND WEEMS. THIS DOG WAS A NICE COLD TRAILER.

I KNOW OF A FEW CAT HUNTERS THAT HAVE BEEN LINEBREEDING ON THIS WITH GOOD RESULTS.

I LIKE THESE DOGS BUT I WILL ALWAYS KEEP A FEW OF THESE MIXED UP WALKERS. :lol:

HAPPY HUNTN, BEARCLAW

Mike Leonard · Post by **Mike Leonard** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 12:20 pm

Bearclaw,

Just wanting some opinions. I have had some good ones.But just wanted to know other's opinions.

Say Bearclaw that big redtick of mine is in Idaho catching long tails. If you want to look at a hound type hound dog. LOL!

BEARCLAW · Post by **BEARCLAW** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 4:05 pm

IM GOING TO SWOOP OVER THERE AND SNATCH HIM UP SO IF HE COMES UP MISSING DONT LOOK IN RIGBY IDAHO FOR HIM. :shock:

I REALY ENJOY THIS LITTLE FEMALE I WAS TELLING YOU ABOUT SHE'S FAST COLD NOSED RIGS AND HAS EVEN BEEN CAUGHT BY A BEAR ONCE, AND STILL UNDER TWO YEARS.

BUT SHE DOES HAVE A DOWNS SIDE. TENDENCY TO MOW SMALL TREE'S DOWN WHEN GAME IS CAUGHT, UNWILLINGNESS TO QUIT WHEN YOUR READY TO GO HOME, AND SOMETIMES NOT TO PATICULAR IN WHAT SHE CHASES! O AND SHE IS ON THE SMALL SIDE IM GUESSING THAT THIS WILL ONLY BE A PROBLEM WHEN THE SNOW GETS DEEP. LIKE RIGHT NOW.

HAPPY HUNTN, BEARCLAW

Mike Leonard · Post by **Mike Leonard** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 7:29 pm

Get ahold of Dan V , and go hunt with him, you will like that dog. He and my buddy Tom from Weiser will be hunting all next week westher permitting. That hound can handle the deep snow.

snowy river black and tan · Sun Mar 02, 2008 3:30 pm

Are you running plotts right now. Whats toms last name? Im from weiser. Just wondering.

justahunter · Post by **justahunter** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 2:52 am

From my own experience, and what i've seen the older star mtn.stuff (from Dan Murphy himself) has a real good nose and a lot of desire. The Kamphouse dogs would have to be top on my list that is why i own them. They aren't papered dogs they have just been breed very well for a very picky hunter. If any of you know Don Kamphouse you know that he was very picky the man hunted for many years and in his eyes has only seen a few dogs that he would say were worth owning. The dogs are early starters that don't level out they keep progressing and getting better. I've seen a few Kamphouse dogs that would run dry ground lion and honestley grinde out a track on a hot day.