Need some suggestions???

[NRedmond]

Ive been hunting a pup of mine a lil lately. Been taken him by himself now. Ive havent treed any coons,but hes trailed some&tree on a few according to the garmin but wont stay to long on tree. The first nite i took him by himself i treed a bobcat with him. He trailed it good and through 3 good locates and went to a chop for bout 20 to 30 seconds and left the tree but stayed in the general area. Hes just turned 7 months at the end of Feb. What u think i should do to get him treein coons?

[coastrangecathunting]

what? u want a 7 month old pup to quit trashing on bobcats and tree a coon.

jc

[kordog]

live trap a coon for him provided its legal take it to a place where there is one low tree that the coon is sure to climb face the opening of the cage towards the tree hold your pup back after letting him bark at it for about a minute let the coon go so that the coon will make it up the tree before the pup gets to him ,but so that the pup sees the whole thing . praise the heak out of him when he starts treeing . provided it is also legal shoot it out with 22 if the pup is already gun broke .if he is not gun broke this can be a setback ruining the whole training session .your pup sounds like a real good one for seven months old . if you have another hound with good treeing habits to hunt with i would try that first .a cat hunter would love to have a pup thats starting out like yours.

[NRedmond]

Yea, im hoping to competition hunt'em, not many if any nitech or grntch redbones around here. He did run another bobcat the other nite for bout 300 yds and treed twice but didnt stay to long. I saw it ahead of him, big male.
Ive caught a few cage coons and showed them to him, he'll bark at them fair to good. Ive tied them up in trees and he'll tree good. When i let the coons loose i turn them loose in an apple orchard and let him see them, run them, tree'em and then poke them out and do it over for bout 10 or 15 mins. The last coon i turned out to him i didnt let him see it. I turned it out in a little field near the wood line. I let him out and he ran around a little them caught the scent in the general area of the track and ran it good, checked the tree it went by and kept a truckin, trailed it for another 40 to 50 yds and started opening on track, trailed for another 130 to 150 yds and sorta sounded like he tried to tree a little. Hes doin good.

[pegleg]

some hounds don't tree as hard or early as others this is often a good thing if you end up with a really accurate tree dog. treeing takes longer for some then others. I've had pups that would tree like pros at a very early age but struggled on track for a long time. i'd much rather have a good trail dog. try running him with a straight hound a few times and see if it helps. what bloodline is he out of this may help get a better response as I am not a red bone expert by any means. there maybe someone running the same line that has been through this before and has more insight. goodluck

[NRedmond]

Hes out of Donnie Stockton's Slugger male, i should be gettin his papers in here soon.
Heres what he looks like,

[kordog]

pokeing the coon out can be a double edge sword so to speak it is teaching your pup to keep tracking if the coon is running again . once he trees on a certain tree with the coon that is where it should end . dogs pick up bad habits very easily .

[NRedmond]

Ok, i planned not to turn any out n the orchards again, if any. Maybe 1 or 2 more but like the last 1 i did were he didnt c it.

[montananative]

Stop with the caged coons! That will ruin a pup quicker than anything. ESPECIALLY when he sees them run off. If a hound has the right tools to run and tree a coon, he/she doesnt need to see a coon in a cage. Letting your dog see them run off is training his eyes not his nose. Id put the trap in the garage, get your dog in some woods with alot of coons, and let him do the work. Hes young and i wouldnt get to excited that he isnt getting crazy on a tree. Nice looking redbone. Thats what i run as well

[kordog]

constantly using caged coons is a bad thing yes ,but reinforcing and evaluating a pup with one is not . after the training session with the caged coon and petting and praising the pup for treeing he must be taken to the woods to see if it has sunk in . keep us informed as to the pups progress that is the only way to truly keep giving the advice you need for your individual dog .i would say your pup is already a natural track dog catching bobcats. so reinforcing his treeing behavior(petting ,praising, shooting the coon out) is key .leaving trees can become habit.if he keeps leaving trees hunting how are you going to reinforce his treeing?you cant right.hopeing a dog comes out of it works for some ,but i am a more hands on handler . everybody would have a top notch dog if all you had to do is hunt them. the truth is some are natural, some need a little help , some are culls, and yes some are mishandled .i like to think im the brains behind the scene there would also be no need for shock collars ,but i notice most houndsman find them effective in the right hands.

[NRedmond]

When i did have the cage coons to him its was a week to 3 weeks apart, i probably will stop, Ive been hunting him by himself and with other dogs more.
Thats the way ive done, praise and pet'em up good when he trees good. I havent beat him only praised him, Robert Raxter told me that a dog learns more from praise than beatings, most of the time. He was the owner of Mojo. I took him bear runnin today with the pack and he done good running, tree real good today. We treed 3 before 11 today. Ill keep yall posted, probably go coon huntin 2nite.
Thanks for the advise.

[plottpappaw]

just give that pup a lil time i've been around that stock since before slugger was a gleam in case's eye. good luck keeping him on a coon though that stock is the best big game driven redbones i know of. i'll bet you alot of money that if you showed that pup a bear he would tree every breath non stop first time out. those puppies aint for coon hunting. i was lucky enough to hunt with sluggers dad slugger and raised a litter of puppies off of sluggers littermate sister and coon hunting aint their strong point. generally by 10 months old they'll get bored with coons thats why that pup is running bobcats its bored. ask donnie he'll just bout tell you the same thing. those dogs are for bear. donnie has done an awesome job bringing those red dogs to where he has and its took him a long time and several pairs of boots.

[NRedmond]

Ok, hes out of slugger and Rex's ntch female. First time i ever took him to see a bear he didnt know what to think, but second time it was game over, he bayed it real good. Thats what he did today on the last bear. Yea he has, hope to get this pup goin as good as his daddy.

[kordog]

is the mother a good coondog?being a nite champ.there must be a little coondog in there .i would much rather have the type dog that isnt a competition type hound . my line of dogs arent great comp dogs either ,because of the cold trailing . you have a nice little dog there ,but you may need a different style of hound to get a redbone to grand nite champion.

[plottpappaw]

i had the honor of hunting with sluggers dad case your pups grandpa. you wouldn't find any better dog of any color compared to him. he was a bear machine didn't matter if he was with a crowd or by himself. that male side of slugger and case is so dominate it pretty much over rides the females genetics she just more or less carries the puppies.