Check out my latest post in bear hunting. Think the HSUS doesn't want to destroy your way of life now? They are moving against us with a speed that will be hard to counter. Where do you stand now on raising the limit?
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Urgent post in Bear Hunting
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"We must indeed all hang together, or, most assuredly, we shall all hang separately" -Benjamin Franklin replying to John Hancock's remark that the revolutionaries should be unanimous in their action. July 4, 1776 at the signing of the Declaration of Independence
"We must indeed all hang together, or, most assuredly, we shall all hang separately" -Benjamin Franklin replying to John Hancock's remark that the revolutionaries should be unanimous in their action. July 4, 1776 at the signing of the Declaration of Independence
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livetohunt
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"Where do you stand now on raising the limit?"
Same as before why do you ask? Are you saying you have changed your outlook due to the fact that the HSUS is saying this now?
Its sad every time something comes up that might help the bear hunters of this state the HSUS comes in and does the same old crap and we bend over and take it. Last year it was the GPS, this year the count, what will next year be? Maybe the opening of some new hunting spots in this state or a training season. And you count on two things, First the HSUS will pull the same crap and we will do the same thing, Second we will all be on this site and others fighting with eachother about why this or that will not be good for us. When what we should be doing is stepping up as one and saying "Come on you bunny loving fruit cakes if its a fight you want then its a fight you will get".
Same as before why do you ask? Are you saying you have changed your outlook due to the fact that the HSUS is saying this now?
Its sad every time something comes up that might help the bear hunters of this state the HSUS comes in and does the same old crap and we bend over and take it. Last year it was the GPS, this year the count, what will next year be? Maybe the opening of some new hunting spots in this state or a training season. And you count on two things, First the HSUS will pull the same crap and we will do the same thing, Second we will all be on this site and others fighting with eachother about why this or that will not be good for us. When what we should be doing is stepping up as one and saying "Come on you bunny loving fruit cakes if its a fight you want then its a fight you will get".
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Re: Urgent post in Bear Hunting
I for one have had it with HSUS. They are a relatively small but a very vocal and organized group, and they are going to try to stop us whenever and wherever they can. This is just one of many salvos they continue to fire at us. We did not wake the beast by supporting a quota increase.
The bottom line is that their core values are extreme, which runs completely contrary to our way of living. We will never find common ground nor even come close to changing their minds. The real battle with them is in winning over the general population. Those who have little or no connection with nature, farming, hunting, etc. These people don't have the experience, conviction (for or against) or time to consider the arguments enough to make an educated decision on where they stand.
HSUS has been very successful at targeting this group with lies and celebrity endorsements. The only way to effectively counter their drive is to reach out and attempt to win the hearts and minds of those people in the middle, who aren't hunters or outdoorsmen, but also aren't extreme in any "leave no trace" views.
So HSUS has money and celebrities to pitch their message, while we have logic and common sense on our side. In other words, we have a lot going for us...but only if enough people see the 99.999% of us who responsibly represent our sport and lifestyle rather than that small percentage that is hyped on the show Wild Justice. I believe we have a very good shot at not only holding the line, but expanding hunting opportunities for all hunters if we can get our message out.
I am not a celebrity, but I can do something. After procrastinating for several months, I've sent in my membership to the CHC. In reading the forum here, I understand that some people may not fully agree with what they do, but it is the best organization we hound hunters have to represent us. I also bring non-hunters on hunts to show them how hound hunting can be an extremely humane way to harvest game. That is, it is not the picture the HSUS people try to paint. I am sure there is more I can do, and will do, as I think of it and my time allows.
The bottom line is that their core values are extreme, which runs completely contrary to our way of living. We will never find common ground nor even come close to changing their minds. The real battle with them is in winning over the general population. Those who have little or no connection with nature, farming, hunting, etc. These people don't have the experience, conviction (for or against) or time to consider the arguments enough to make an educated decision on where they stand.
HSUS has been very successful at targeting this group with lies and celebrity endorsements. The only way to effectively counter their drive is to reach out and attempt to win the hearts and minds of those people in the middle, who aren't hunters or outdoorsmen, but also aren't extreme in any "leave no trace" views.
So HSUS has money and celebrities to pitch their message, while we have logic and common sense on our side. In other words, we have a lot going for us...but only if enough people see the 99.999% of us who responsibly represent our sport and lifestyle rather than that small percentage that is hyped on the show Wild Justice. I believe we have a very good shot at not only holding the line, but expanding hunting opportunities for all hunters if we can get our message out.
I am not a celebrity, but I can do something. After procrastinating for several months, I've sent in my membership to the CHC. In reading the forum here, I understand that some people may not fully agree with what they do, but it is the best organization we hound hunters have to represent us. I also bring non-hunters on hunts to show them how hound hunting can be an extremely humane way to harvest game. That is, it is not the picture the HSUS people try to paint. I am sure there is more I can do, and will do, as I think of it and my time allows.
Re: Urgent post in Bear Hunting
educate the public about the hsus and what they really do with all those donations it has worked to run them out of some states
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livetohunt
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Im not sure how you can call them "relatively small". They say they have something like 11 million members but I know many anti hsus groups say its not even close to that. But I know they have some big money something around $200 million a year I heard. We can not for one sec think we are fighting some little unorganized group. These extremist are the real deal. That is so true pegleg everytime I hear anyone talking about HSUS or PETA I let them know the facts then I give them the web sites so they can see the facts. I dont want them to just think cause Im a hunter I dont like them I want them to see it and read it with there own eyes. The big thing is most non hunting public are not anti hunting, we need to get them on our side in this fight. By showing them that 99% of the things the HSUS says are lies and at the same time we need to show them we are nothing like they try and make us out to be.
We can and will win this fight, defeat is not an option.
We can and will win this fight, defeat is not an option.
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I say "relatively small" because even if you believe HSUS's stats on the decline of hunting, there is still like 12.5M active hunters in the U.S. But that is "ACTIVE". I've seen figures closer to 23M to 48M active and inactive hunters in America. These folks would not agree with what what HSUS really stands for. [http://www.conservationforce.org/role4.html]livetohunt wrote:Im not sure how you can call them "relatively small". They say they have something like 11 million members but I know many anti hsus groups say its not even close to that. But I know they have some big money something around $200 million a year I heard.
I also believe that many HSUS "members" actually think, like I did at one time, that these people ran shelters and such. Boy was I surprised when I dug a little deeper into their politics and realized what they actually do with all that money. If THEY knew what this organization was up to, I bet many in their ranks would not support it. Others have said expose HSUS for what they are and people will not support them. I wholeheartedly agree.
I agree with you that HSUS is powerful and well funded, but in terms of numbers I think us hunters and outdoorsmen have them beat by a pretty good margin. This should give us hope that if we organize better via outreach to the general public and with other like-minded organizations, we could win.
In the end I really think we are saying the same thing, I am just trying to show people that we are in a lot better position than we think sometimes...like you said, "We can and will win this fight, defeat is not an option."
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first off....border jumping from oregon to cali is not my first choice......oregon, washington, california are all one big state..personally i see no difference, given those who have destroyed california are now living in portland and seattle and dictating policy here. hsus knows no boundaries...it has one core mission...end it all...we need to unite...state wide, nation wide and if it is a problem in california...it is going to be a problem for oregon and washington sooner than larter....
how is it when hsus was in salem giving testimony one of the key points used for stopping hound hunting for cougar was california....quote.."since california banned hounds for cougars the state has no problems related to cougars" really? who does the cougar hunting now for the state of california? you cali folks need to get the facts from your game department and look at educating your voters with the truth!
i know of several usda agents who do nothing but hunt bear and cougar with hounds. who pays the wages for those lucky agents? you, how about plain old non hunting tax paying citizens? we can't be derailed by separation of any of our big game mammals....management includes all indigenous species, and unequivocally....should rely on sport hunters first and then if there is a further issue controlling populations, only then should usda be utilized...end of story...
i'm not about to surrender any of my hunting rights and then watch as the state hires the federal government to replace all of us. this is a tough call to make....i'm not anti usda...i'm anti government and for sport hunters to roll over and allow this is insane....usda has plenty to do across the land. i think they are just a business looking for work...great...let them trap coyotes and do the predation/depredation work.
education is making the difference in oregon. i made a broad statement some time back about not wanting hound hunter support....this is not actually the truth...we don't have a large enough base to make much difference at nothing...we need to travel in the same direction as what has been stated in earlier post, go after the citizens with the truth!....we can learn from hsus....educate those who don't have an opinion. don't hunt or fish....these are the people who can change this trend...as long as my state has usda and we allow it....they don't need me.
i bet california and washington are the same....please....any one north or south correct me if i'm wrong. now that washington state banned coyote hunting with hounds, what will the state do? hire the usda to trap more coyotes?....what will happen since washington let the cougar pilot program to be dropped? hire the government to snare cougars? how about the federal government to tree those problem cats with hounds...the difference here is we are sporting about our methods and the government is mandated to kill on on sight!
we need to get in the mind set....if our three states want to allow special interest to control it all....then let mother nature handle it...given our crisis with the mule deer in oregon our governor is not wanting to loose the revenue that deer hunting generates ....but this same person has a problem stepping up and doing any thing about addressing the problem. bottom line folks....you can't have your cake and eat it too....fight back!
how is it when hsus was in salem giving testimony one of the key points used for stopping hound hunting for cougar was california....quote.."since california banned hounds for cougars the state has no problems related to cougars" really? who does the cougar hunting now for the state of california? you cali folks need to get the facts from your game department and look at educating your voters with the truth!
i know of several usda agents who do nothing but hunt bear and cougar with hounds. who pays the wages for those lucky agents? you, how about plain old non hunting tax paying citizens? we can't be derailed by separation of any of our big game mammals....management includes all indigenous species, and unequivocally....should rely on sport hunters first and then if there is a further issue controlling populations, only then should usda be utilized...end of story...
i'm not about to surrender any of my hunting rights and then watch as the state hires the federal government to replace all of us. this is a tough call to make....i'm not anti usda...i'm anti government and for sport hunters to roll over and allow this is insane....usda has plenty to do across the land. i think they are just a business looking for work...great...let them trap coyotes and do the predation/depredation work.
education is making the difference in oregon. i made a broad statement some time back about not wanting hound hunter support....this is not actually the truth...we don't have a large enough base to make much difference at nothing...we need to travel in the same direction as what has been stated in earlier post, go after the citizens with the truth!....we can learn from hsus....educate those who don't have an opinion. don't hunt or fish....these are the people who can change this trend...as long as my state has usda and we allow it....they don't need me.
i bet california and washington are the same....please....any one north or south correct me if i'm wrong. now that washington state banned coyote hunting with hounds, what will the state do? hire the usda to trap more coyotes?....what will happen since washington let the cougar pilot program to be dropped? hire the government to snare cougars? how about the federal government to tree those problem cats with hounds...the difference here is we are sporting about our methods and the government is mandated to kill on on sight!
we need to get in the mind set....if our three states want to allow special interest to control it all....then let mother nature handle it...given our crisis with the mule deer in oregon our governor is not wanting to loose the revenue that deer hunting generates ....but this same person has a problem stepping up and doing any thing about addressing the problem. bottom line folks....you can't have your cake and eat it too....fight back!