Wyoming Houndsmen

[mybluebelle]

I definitly agree on a female mortality... there are a few guys that hunt our country around laramie that kill every cat they find and unfortunatly a ton are females... burning down the factory.

[mybluebelle]

And if any one knows when g &f meetings are around the state for lion let me know cause i know a few other guys that would like to go

[Big Horn Posse]

Tessa how many female lions would you guess have bin killed within 60 miles of kaycee in the last 3 years???

im really curouse about this to tessa i looked but didnt find anything

KCH, I will have the information as soon as possible. Already asked for it a couple of hours ago and as soon as I have the numbers I will post it.

[Big Horn Posse]

And if any one knows when g &f meetings are around the state for lion let me know cause i know a few other guys that would like to go

You just missed the WG&F public meetings for hunting. They were in March and April the only meeting scheduled in Laramie is June 11 - Laramie, 2010-2011 Fishing/Watercraft regulations public meeting, Albany County Library 7 p.m

I can let you know when the next one is for the hunting regulations will be as soon as it comes up. If you have any questions or concerns that you want to voice with G&F you can call or visit your regional office or send me your questions and concerns I will pass them on to the proper person.

Laramie Regional Office
528 S. Adams
Laramie, WY 82070
(307) 745-4046

[Big Horn Posse]

Also if anyone wants a copy of your areas harvest report you can contact the Wyoming Game and Fish directly and they will send you the information.

Wyoming Game& Fish Department Headquarters
5400 Bishop Blvd.
Cheyenne, Wyoming 82006
(307) 777-4600

[anarchy kennels]

Big Horn i am not sure what your are talking about. But I do think to many guys are killing females and thats no good. So hows this work differant?

[Big Horn Posse]

anarchy kennels, it is not just about killing females it is about killing an unlimited number of lions in one area. It is about proper conservation and management. We as houndsmen/women need to realize that taking 30 or more lions out of any area can have consequences to our future of lion hunting. I have seen the effects of high numbers being harvested in an area and I and a few others are not happy with it. I would like to see a quota system put back into these areas and possibly have female mortality quotas put back. I would also like to see outfitters and guides offer taking only trophy quality toms and not just having their hunters take the first lion they get in a tree. If we can voice our concerns with Game and Fish and let them know that we are willing to sacrifice hunting year round if it comes down to that to get our quota systems working in the lions favor then that would be a good start. Also I know this is a lot to ask of outfitters and guides, but if we can offer lion hunts that are trophy toms only even though they might not fill every hunter then that would be even better. I know the economy is not good and outfitters and guides like to book hunts and have a good success rate, but if we don't think of good conservation and management of these lions there will be less lions and less trophy lions for future hunting. I know most will not agree with me on this, but I am willing to put out the effort and sacrifice. I hope other people will as well.

[anarchy kennels]

Well i have not been at this that long but it sounds like a smart thing. I for one dont want to teach my dogs to chase something then they close it down or we kill off the population to the point of nothing to run. so if it works better iam for it. but i would like to see more information on it. any suggestion to more reading?

[Big Horn Posse]

Anarchy, I would love to visit with you or anyone else that want to know more about what I am trying to accomplish here. Feel free to give me a call. (307)388-5411
Thanks,
Ressa

[jed]

I think that what you're researching is a good idea and holds merit for sure. It's my opinion that some changes could be made here in Colorado as well, I'm sure a number hound folks in other western states feel the same way we do.

You're going about it the right way. . . keep it up. Base your comments on sound biological data, harvest reports, numbers etc. Get the data to support your argument, otherwise it's just one person's "story" and it won't hold water when presented to policy makers.

Another thing that's important will be to practice exactly what you preach - if we're wanting no females killed in an area then there's no excuses - no "it was a problem cat", no "the ranch where I hunt requires me to kill whatever I catch", no "It was big, and I thought it was a tom", no "I tried to talk my hunter out of it but he/she really wanted to harvest this female" and so on. . . . you get the picture. If I remember correctly - a female was killed over your dogs earlier this year. I'm just saying. . . .

The hounding world is full of folks that don't seem to care until they see decreased populations or struggle to catch game in their area. . . then they want to change regulations and make restrictions that will force compliance - something they themselves haven't done on a voluntary basis in the past.

[houndogr]

Well put Jed! You could not have said it any better.

[Mr.pacojack]

I think that what you're researching is a good idea and holds merit for sure. It's my opinion that some changes could be made here in Colorado as well, I'm sure a number hound folks in other western states feel the same way we do.

You're going about it the right way. . . keep it up. Base your comments on sound biological data, harvest reports, numbers etc. Get the data to support your argument, otherwise it's just one person's "story" and it won't hold water when presented to policy makers.

Another thing that's important will be to practice exactly what you preach - if we're wanting no females killed in an area then there's no excuses - no "it was a problem cat", no "the ranch where I hunt requires me to kill whatever I catch", no "It was big, and I thought it was a tom", no "I tried to talk my hunter out of it but he/she really wanted to harvest this female" and so on. . . . you get the picture. If I remember correctly - a female was killed over your dogs earlier this year. I'm just saying. . . .

The hounding world is full of folks that don't seem to care until they see decreased populations or struggle to catch game in their area. . . then they want to change regulations and make restrictions that will force compliance - something they themselves haven't done on a voluntary basis in the past.

Great post Jed.

[Big Horn Posse]

I think that what you're researching is a good idea and holds merit for sure. It's my opinion that some changes could be made here in Colorado as well, I'm sure a number hound folks in other western states feel the same way we do.

You're going about it the right way. . . keep it up. Base your comments on sound biological data, harvest reports, numbers etc. Get the data to support your argument, otherwise it's just one person's "story" and it won't hold water when presented to policy makers.

Another thing that's important will be to practice exactly what you preach - if we're wanting no females killed in an area then there's no excuses - no "it was a problem cat", no "the ranch where I hunt requires me to kill whatever I catch", no "It was big, and I thought it was a tom", no "I tried to talk my hunter out of it but he/she really wanted to harvest this female" and so on. . . . you get the picture. If I remember correctly - a female was killed over your dogs earlier this year. I'm just saying. . . .

The hounding world is full of folks that don't seem to care until they see decreased populations or struggle to catch game in their area. . . then they want to change regulations and make restrictions that will force compliance - something they themselves haven't done on a voluntary basis in the past.

Jed,
I agree with you and yes I made a mistake and regret letting that cat be harvested. As a mother I have always told my boys we all make mistakes and that is okay, but what we need to do is learn from these mistakes and try to do better. I will not justify my actions for what happened last Dec, but I will say that in all the years of lion hunting I have tried my best to practice good conservation and management and pass it on to others. Only three lions have ever been harvested over my dogs in the last decade I now wish it was only 2. I am trying to make better choices in my life and this is one thing I think I can help make a difference with. If you ever read a story I had published in Full Cry many years ago about why I got into lion hunting you will know my passion began as a child facinated with cougars. That passion has grown into more than that. I now have a deep love for these hounds as well. I, just as all of us have an obligation to both the lions and our hounds to practice and teach conservation and proper management so we will have what we are most passionate about for many years to come. I will never forget this again no matter how much I need the money or what the circumstance may be.

[kaycee cat hunter]

hahhaha i love how it allwas goes back to killin females on here if u guy would have been in this country huntin 2 to 4 years ago u would have sh t with the amount of cats u would have seen i used to see more lions than yotes now we got the population killed down to alot better number whitch in all prospectives is way better for the ranchers and the deer elk and antelope hunters so i agree we pry need a qwota now that the population is at a good range and to get the population down u have to kill some female or transport them some where else

[chancemarquette]

i dont think they will ever be able to do away with killing females all together it will never happen smaller quotas and a pursuit season year around would be the way to go.