Best Dry Ground Lion dog????

[Nolte]

There is one thing i know for sure from experience, you can take anydog...... I mean anydog.... and teach him to hunt. Now how good or great a hunter it may turn out is another thing, but every hound will hunt, sometimes its the hound owner thats the idot and doesn't see how the dog is hunting. Just my Opinion though!!! You hunt a mutt dog from any breed everyday...... you'll have a huntin dog, I'd even put money on it. Lines just make it easier!!

Orion,

I don't know a thing about dry-grounding or lions, but I don't agree with this at all for hounds. I've got no doubt that I'm an idiot, but you can't get something out of a dog that's not in there to begin with. Some dogs just plain don't have the right stuff. Sure they might tag along and go with, but you'd die if you had to rely on them soley to catch your supper. It doesn't matter how much bonding you do with them or exposure you give them with good dogs, they are just going to be a third wheel that holds up the process. Heck that even happens getting a dog out of good stuff.

I've also seen many, many dogs that had more drive than a guy could every ask for that could not start tough tracks. They'd bust their ass all day for you trying but just can't line it out. I've put dogs like this on hundreds of tracks and it didn't matter. They just couldn't do it. Then a buddy would pull out some half-assed, sheep dog looking, flag tailed, overweight pot licker and it would walk away with the track like it was minutes old. If you didn't know any better you'd pick any dog in his yard besides the one that was the best.

Good Luck and Good Hunting

[Mike Leonard]

Nolte,

My man I have met that ugly old dog you are talking about a few times. LOL!

you think you got some hot $hit and you have hunted and caught a ton with them and they can't do nothing with this track and you are loading up to leave and old so an so unloads the Troll. and he leaves out of there on that track like a mule hit the ass with a pack saddle and you just realized you don't have it all figured out yet. LOL!

[sourdough]

I will agree on one thing a hound can learn to hunt. Some will even throw in and try to cold trail, but in the end when you add it all up you spent a ton off cash on an average hound that may or may not produce or ever produce anything better than it's self, a real waste of time an for sure not a very lofty goal to have set for yourself or your hounds. Anyone can have success if they put the time in, after all even a blind hog can find a acorn once in a while. One has to set their ego aside because there are men out there that do have something special and after seeing it, you leave there scratching your head because you just realized that your best hound went from great to average. With great hounds you need to do nothing, but put them in the woods and straiten them out they have what it takes from the minute they hit the ground in the whelping house. No amount of time will ever make an average hound any more than average.


Who has the best dry ground lion hounds? Well that's a pretty good list mike wrote down and the genetics in those lines well are as old and long as the list of men that hunt them.

I wish every one success in their dream of lion hunting and their ambition to be one that was named.

sourdough

[Benny G]

There will always be a dog that shows up out of nowhere that is a natural. I had a pup given to me from a friend one time. His dogs were mediocre lion dogs, but outstanding bear dogs. I wasn't interested in a pup, but I thought it was more important to remain friends than to be arrogant and flat out refuse one. He gave me a smallish high tan female that I called Toad. All I had to do was take Toad out to the hills. She was a natural lion dog. At 1 1/2 years, I relied on her just like my old dogs. I loaned her to a friend that needed help, and I knew that she would shine. She helped his old dog get the young dogs going, and then got cancer. I put her down at three years old. Walter (the guy that gave her to me) died suddenly, and to this day I have no idea as to her background, all that I do know is she wasn't from any "known" lines.

Sure, there are dogs out there, as well as people out there that don't neccesarily get the recognition that they're due, but this thread started by asking about the best lines. All we have to go by is the people and dogs that we all hear about for years and years.

As for me, just as I stated, I just cabbage on to others' successes.

[Orion Guide]

Well said benny G!!! Well said all of you..... Even those that disagree, like I said in the beginning, just looking for opinions! Good to have that list of lines just in case you come across them or wanna bring some new lines into yours!!!

[dzell]

orien guide dont let azdogman get you riled cause everyone knows a dogman doesnt buy up everyones made dogs he makes his own and if you was to ask some of the guys on mikes list of DOGMEN thats what they would tell you and AZDOGMAN theres no nead for a response either

[AZDOGMAN]

Well well, dont you go get your feelings hurt. If you read my post it was a joke back to the guy that made the joke about him not having one of the french hounds.

[AZDOGMAN]

DZELL i will guess that stands for dan zellner? If not than disregaurd this. Maybe you should read posts better and understand whats being said before you spout off at the mouth. Are you not a dogman, would it be fair to say that just because you borrow good dogs to be able to catch stuff your not a houndsman. Lord knows you havent made a dog the whole year you have been at it.
Maybe once you catch your first lion then come talk smack.


It was a joke about the french hounds.

Read it a little slower this time and you will see i was not trying to rattle anyones cage at all.

Dont let this rattle your cage.

[ZeluvaRIP69er]

Speaking of Cage LOL

[Orion Guide]

Rght Zeluva, maybe I should of posted this in the cage huh!!!

[ALONGTAIL]

what about jon kibler or jonny jonson their some of the best i hear

[Orion Guide]

To be honest I havent heard of 90% of these guys, when I started into hounds like 15 years ago it was one of my buddies who already had dogs, I asked him the other day what lines his dogs were and he just said "The hunting one". He had a damn good line though. Real dry ground. I'm hoping to breed to his last surviving male, and hopefully I pull something out that litter that will keep the line going, hence, "My Line". I have the oppurtunity to not be a weekend warrior with hounds. So hopefully I can work these lines of mine and find their potential.

Maybe some of you are right about not "Making" hound...... but you can damn sure figure out how to unlock that skill they have by working em best you can!! Maybe thats what I mean when I say you can make a huntin dog out of any dog, Just by giving em the oppurtunity. That one fellar above was close by saying you aint gonna catch nothin by not runnin, but I know alot of guys who just wander across a lion or bear on the one weekend they went out in the last 6 months. Then next thing ya know they hound hunters with some tree time. I also think that sometimes by just bumping into that tree or rock pile that has a lion or bear already in it does two things, gets your dogs knowing what they supossed to be chasin all this time and gets the houndsman motivated to really start working them dogs like he should.

[Benny G]

I'm not going to comment on Kibler, But Johnny Johnson out of Young has been ranching and hunting lions most of his life. I don't know what he has for dogs, but what he has gets the job done.

[Black Mountain]

I think it is a shame that Stan Mecham and sons have not been mentioned in any of this tread. Maybe it is because they dont sell a lot of dogs and they dont get to involved in the outside world so to speak. The boys, Mclain and Clint make a living with these hounds workong for the state of Utah. I am not saying that no one has better hounds than these guys, but if someone claims to they had better be all business.

[dzell]

Kevin Presmyk. This is Dan and my cage isn't rattled I've got lucky and caught a few lions and a couple bobcats with my own dogs it dang sure took more than a year to do it I was just giving you shit so don't get your cage rattled. So with your permission I guess I can talk smack now lol. Please don't move this to the cage I'm just having fun with Kevin.