ursus plotts

[Smiley]

if you are stuck on speed you may be disappointed there are ursus dogs with speed but I think they are a bit harder to find but the majority of dogs will probably be decent bear dogs.

[wvplott]

I have owned and hunted with dozens of ursus plotts the last several years.
My evaluation:
confirmation varies, but performance is consistent for catching the game we hunt (bear). I cannot speak for cats because we haven't used them for cats. Most of the dogs I have owned/ hunted with are very intelligent, good natured, gritty, and excellent tree dogs. Desire to catch is also very consistent. We've noticed our tree percentage go up dramatically since bringing in ursus plotts.

Some of the other traits such as track speed, nose, mouth varies...but I think the same could be said for other strains of dogs. All in all, I think most of the people that you talk to will have positive things to say about the ursus dogs

[Catch]

Doesn't confirmation make the performance? I do believe Ursus dogs work better in the East then the West. All in all, one needs to try one and see if they work. Just make sure all the details are discussed and signed.

[brian j cerelli]

Well i sure hope catch is wrong about them working better in the east then the west, since the main reason i desided to try these dogs out was because they were breed and hunted in the western coast range, same type of conditions i hunt on the washington coast. i dont know how west your talking about, but since everyones hung up on speed, i figured i would look for something to handle the thick brush,and catch bear, not just run them. only time will tell how they work out.

[Steve White]

If you can not already tell. There is obviously a disgruntled person posting about this line.

Really one of the most consistently bred plott lines out there. No paper swapping. No magical old dogs being bred. Just a hunter breeding his dogs, and a very knowledgeable one to boot.

In all dogs, of any line. There is going to be some variance. There is no way of breeding cookie cutter style. Certainly confirmation does not always mean performance. Maybe be one indicator, but not an end all by any means. Handling? That has very little to do with the dogs. That is the handler. Hence the term. Sure some dogs may be a bit more wired. Making them a bit more challenging to train. Still obedience is up to the handler. If you have poor handling dogs. The reason will be looking back at you in the mirror. Which is why guys like Ceaser make a pile of money. Doing for some what they cannot do on their own.

Might be best to talk to the man. Every time I have it has been a learning experience. No I am not biased because I have a kennel full of them. In fact have never owned a full Ursus dog. Several of my dogs now, and in the past have Ursus in them that is it.

Try one, worst that can happen is it will not work out for you. That could happen with any breed, and any dog.

[Catch]

plott/walker,

I hope they do work you, and like I have already said. When you get a good you have something.


Mr. White,

You wrote:
Really one of the most consistently bred plott lines out there. No paper swapping. No magical old dogs being bred. Just a hunter breeding his dogs, and a very knowledgeable one to boot.

Well, I will agree with you about the very knowledgeable part!

Take care

[Steve White]

Marshall, you are way to predictable. Knew you would take the bait. I hope your not insinuating that Mr Mohr is paper swapping, and breeding young dogs under an old dogs name. We all know how hard the man has worked to develop his line over the years. His dogs may not suit some, but certainly suit many others. Have proven themselves in multiple countries to boot. Laws even had to be changed in some countries due to their prowess from what I understand. Not many lines can say that in any breed.

[Catch]

Well actually, you took the bait Steve. If I didn't want to get into this argument, I wouldn't have went there. Let me know when you want to continue with your questions? Make sure you know your facts.

Been catching any lions?

[backwoods1]

I heard some second hand stories about people returning culls an finding that same dog being bred years later, by the name on the papers. Like I said those are second an maybe even third hand stories!

[Steve White]

Yeah, there are piles of lion in WI. I'm sure your Ursus dogs are catching plenty for all of us though. You know darn well I know my facts quite well. I've given up on having battles of wit with unarmed people though. It bores me these days.

Backwoods- That could be a possibility in any line or breed. But then again. One mans cull is anothers dog of a lifetime. We all have different expectations and needs. What works for you might not work for me, and vice versa. There is no one set of rules for everyone. That would not leave us much to talk about, now would it.

[backwoods1]

I agree on one man's junk is onther treasure, however I believe only the best of the best should be bred so for the most part I would think if someone culls a dog it may work for onther guy but I would think it would not become a top notch one. I hunt with plott/walker an so far from what I've seen with the two he got from Steve I like! However they are about the ugliest dogs I've seen- not that it matters but nothing to look at that's for sure

[Catch]

Good call on the battle Steve!

[backwoods1]

It seems you have more to say about the breed "catch" I'd like to here as I wanna as much as I can about a man an his dogs before I decide to get one or not! With that said I no no matter what the breed or the guy there always be people talking them up an down, as well as good an bad dogs no matter the case! Let's here it please-

[wvplott]

I heard some second hand stories about people returning culls an finding that same dog being bred years later, by the name on the papers. Like I said those are second an maybe even third hand stories!

In these cases I'd have to ask why the dog was sent back. There are lots of guys out there who cannot train bear dogs. They don't have the time, do not have the knowledge, cannot give the dogs the opportunities needEd...and have unreal expectations.

And, on top of that, they don't have the confidence in the breeding or the skill of training dogs that Steve does. I figure Steve has taken quite a few dogs over the years that others have sent back and made bear dogs out of them. Some guys have a knack for it. Can't fault the guy for that...

And as for the comment that was made about confirmation... Confirmation means nothing without desire.

[Steve White]

It seems you have more to say about the breed "catch" I'd like to here as I wanna as much as I can about a man an his dogs before I decide to get one or not! With that said I no no matter what the breed or the guy there always be people talking them up an down, as well as good an bad dogs no matter the case! Let's here it please-

I hope you take things with a pound of salt. In my original post I mentioned a disgruntled person. So you may want to ask why that is. Doubt you get a straight answer on that.

Mr Mohr has nothing to hide give him a call. There are plenty of his dogs out there. They speak for themselves. If you try one, odds are it may suit you. But like WV eluded to. It really does not matter the breed or the breeder. The owner has to have the ability to bring out the full potential in a dog. If you can't put them in the woods, and on the game you wish to pursue. They are not going to amount to much. Regardless of where they came from.