due those gascons santogeois realy have colder noses?

[Big Mike]

So far nobody has any proof or account that GS are any colder nosed than other lines of hound. My feeling is just like any lines you will find some good ones and some bad ones. My advise would be to get some bobcat dogs from proven hunters in your area. Being cold nose isnt enough to be a good cat/lion dog. What the dog can do with the cold nose( in terms of moving the track and running to catch) is what matters

[mike7776]

This is my problem no houndsmen around hear that I know of run cats. Everyone has a coon dog all comp mainly. Or big game of choice around here is bear. There is a few guys that have treed cats but most concider it trash. There is a guy I talked to on the coast that runs cats with running style dogs not that im opposed to that but I don't know anyone around hear that have that type of hound. Imm asumeing that if they worked around here they'd be doing it. You know what they saw about asumeing

[rhromm]

Why not get a Majestic, hard to argue that a part bloodhound doesn't have a cold nose.

[matt123huntinglion]

where you from would love to put dogs on 100 bears a year would like hunt with you just one week

cobalt no disrespect taken i agree with you. i tree around 100 bear or more a year so i know what it takes to tree bear. all my hound are as cold nosed as i can get that is what i breed for. as fare as are chases go are average run is probably around 3 hours but have some that go a hole lot longer than that.the ones that breed for the hot nose hound are the ones that spoiled some of them. that is the difference from a comp dog to a big game hunting hound.

[Bow]

I am in NH we have a training season and a hunting season. we run every day that of both.

[African]

Just in case there are any questions about treeing ability:

[cobalt]

Catching 100 bears a year is about dedication and time and being in descent bear country. I believe it's very possible in NM as well as many other states.

African- can those dogs locate and not just tree from visual?

[mike7776]

Why not get a Majestic, hard to argue that a part bloodhound doesn't have a cold nose.

Contacted a gentleman named steve from va 2 days about those majestic dogs he was very help full and said come up any time to check out his dogs. He also has one gs he's going to or has breed can't rember. Thanks mike

[African]

African- can those dogs locate and not just tree from visual?

Cobalt, when young they tree almost only on sight or cues from the older hounds, but after enough cats they start to work out the deal and locate too. They are not what could be classified as tree hounds though.

[rhromm]

Why not get a Majestic, hard to argue that a part bloodhound doesn't have a cold nose.

Contacted a gentleman named steve from va 2 days about those majestic dogs he was very help full and said come up any time to check out his dogs. He also has one gs he's going to or has breed can't rember. Thanks mike

That was who I was thinking of when I read your post. I have read about him through posts and on his website. It may be a lot of smoke, I do not know, never seen him run. One thing I do know is if it is accurate he has some impressive dogs. I am guessing it is accurate judging from his knowledge of breeding.

[Mike Leonard]

Guys,

I know African personally and he is one fine hunter and completly honest in his dealings. He has been to the states and he has been in cougar country and if he was here but a short time he would be a real threat to the cougars because this man has eyes like a hawk and can trail like a hound. He has some fine hounds and they produce for him where he hunts and that is what counts.

That being said don"t fall for every fancy web-sites or all this stuff because as I said everything that glitters is not gold and these dogs better be in the woods catching what you are interested in or you are just another rube buying a pack of BS.

If you want a dog or a pup and you don't know the guy go hunt with him and see if you feel the same when you get back in your truck ready to drive home.

That's about it.

[cobalt]

African- thanks for your honest answer. Of course, the reason I ask is because alot of the country I've hunted there are big trees that a dog must have the ability to locate and stay not by mere visual sensation but by pure genetic "tree" instincts whether it be a 200lb. bear or a 15lb. bobcat.
The first branches on these trees are 150ft above the ground and these dogs have been there several hours. None of these dogs are over 3 years old from three totally different lines of bluetick.

[African]

Cobalt as you know local conditions, hunting styles, target game and terrain/vegetation impact greatly on the development of the hounds in that specific area, hence the many varied qualities within a breed or different breeds. To my limited knowledge no other countries have produced true tree hounds, so if that is what you need then the USA is where to look.

The GS qualities are such because countless generations of French hunters wanted a hound that could reliably take the scent track of the wolf and pursue it over all terrain until it is bayed and killed. The result is a very determined tracking hound with excellent physical construction, courage and grit, a huge voice, visible colour coat, immense game drive, intelligence and problem solving abilities (the main reason why they adapt to treeing game so readily).

What I have found is that hunters that are looking to inject some of these traits into their breeding with a reliable outcross are interested in the GS breed, and rightly so. To those that want to replace the American hound with something exotic my advice is to be sure you want to deviate from a tried path before committing to the GS exclusively because it will take some generations to attain certain characteristics that are common in other US breeds.

Nice looking Blueticks by the way.

[matt123huntinglion]

well i here in n.m. when ever you want come over here we can hunt the n.m. game & fish has 2 to 3 monts bear hunting or units filled no training season have with frends & my self cought or made 3 trees a day lot of work .so here open invite to come show how it is done or would like see it done there weather plays big part & time of year here how fat are bears is out here you can run pads off a dog in a day even if in great shape run every day cant believe it lets try it . that was asking how are there feet takes more than dog with great noise out here if you want to catch game or do you want hear great sounding hounds cold trailing to each there own may every one have fun hunting what ever dogs they want we are all different hunt different places the game is different work what works best for you where you are when any one wants come n.m hunting load up bring dogs lets get it done call lets see what is open first hope see soon 5056609217

Catching 100 bears a year is about dedication and time and being in descent bear country. I believe it's very possible in NM as well as many other states.

African- can those dogs locate and not just tree from visual?

[cobalt]

African- I have a lot of respect for what the GS dogs are and their history. They obviously have a job and do it well and I think you have an accurate understanding of the likenesses and differences between the GS and American breeds.

matt123huntinglion- sorry to question your identity. I'm sure now that no houndman in NM has ever caught a 100 bear in one year. No need for me to come down, I believe you.