BILL INTRODUCED TO BAN PURSUIT OF BEAR AND BOBCAT IN CA
Re: BILL INTRODUCED TO BAN PURSUIT OF BEAR AND BOBCAT IN CA
My plan and hopes is for "ALL" and I mean "ALL" hound hunters regardless of the game they chose to pursue or state they reside in to join together, Unite As One, put all differences aside and fight for our right to hunt our hounds. American’s are sick and tired of animal rights groups dictating our freedom and lifestyles. This bill is ludicrous and a slap in hound hunters faces! The verbiage in the letter on the Senator’s wed page is obvious that it’s going to start with just hounds. This Senator backed by the HSUS is spreading false propaganda about hunting with hounds and the way hound owners treat their hounds. The Senator’s web page made it a point to write that the senate bill won’t affect Bird Hunters. They want this battle to be with just hound hunters. It’s easier for them to win by picking us off one at a time.
Remember hound hunters, Power is in Numbers! Join your state club, stay active and register to vote. It’s believed that California has thousands of hound hunters and its important each one is or becomes a member of CHC. This battle is going to take some serious leg work from everyone. Joining CHC isn’t going to be enough, but will help. Take notes on the Senators (the ones trying to stop our lifestyles) and vote them out of power. All hound hunters, family members, friends, (non hound hunters that got the pleasure of harvesting a bear or bobcat with the aid of hounds), co-workers, neighbors etc. We need to start educating the public on the HSUS and all anti-freedom groups (animal rights groups). I call them anti freedom groups because they won’t stop until everyone of us is out of the woods and holding each other’s hands singing kumbaya!
It’s time to teach the general public about Facts! Facts are if this bill passes it will end up costing the tax payers of the already broke California millions of lost dollars in lost revenue. I know for a fact that if I can’t run a bear with hounds, I would NEVER buy another bear tag in California.
Let’s educate the unaware citizens of California about the lies these animal rights groups are spreading about hound hunting. Don’t just use the old saying, “it’s our heritage” (even know it is) to hunt with hounds. Let’s use facts. The public needs to know that someone is going to have to manage California’s exploding Bear population whether it’s through outdoor enthusiast like hound hunters, or paid by the tax payers out of the general fund hired hound hunters to do the job (USDA). Fact is wildlife has to be managed.
Remind the deer hunters in your area just how this bill will affect the fawn survival rate. Bears and Bobcats love nothing more than eating every young fawn they can catch. When a bear comes out of hibernation the spring fawns are easy meals. Fawns are still wobbly on their legs and the bears will, and do, run them down and eat them on a regular basis. Just look what kind of toll that Prop 117 (the ban on Mountain Lion Hunting) had on the California deer, and then top that off the passing of Prop 4 (the ban on steel traps). The ban on trapping basically stopped almost all Predator Control work in California with the exception of hound hunters and USDA & ADC hired trappers. Banning Sport Trapping just caused the Coyote population to explode and drop the California Deer herds to an all time low. Banning the use of hound hunting for bears and bobcats would basically just wipeout the California Deer herd’s altogether. Think of the millions of dollars in levy work alone, that the California tax payers has had to pay out, because of banning trapping, forcing sport trappers to only wire cages and not allowing them the appropriate tools necessary to correctly do the job properly. Unable to manage the Beaver and other water creatures has cost tax payers millions. All this wasted money going out to pay for services, that the residents of California should be entitled to do anyhow. The State of California could make millions of dollars in revenue annually just allowing California citizens their freedom back. Think of all the lost revenue to the California rural area businesses. I know I spend thousands of dollars a year on just gasoline alone to hunt my hounds. This isn’t counting all the gear, food, dog food, vet bills, truck repairs etc. etc. Remind the bird hunters in your area just how much bobcats love eating turkeys, chucker, and quail and without management it will affect their hatch rate every year. These aren’t theories, these are facts. Unmanaged wildlife falls subject to disease and forces bears into housing areas looking for food.
Senate Bill (1221) was generated and expedited out of the hatred that Senator T. Lieu and the HSUS has toward Commission Dan Richards because of his out of state legally harvested Mountain Lion hunt. This bill was written out of emotional reactions and emotional reactions are normally not responsible actions. These Animal Rights activists are reacting emotionally without a real understanding, because of their lack of real hands on knowledge. Most of their beliefs are based on emotional ideological theories with no experience to back their theories.
Here are some ideas for some of the houndmen and houndwomen that don’t know where to start with helping out. Start by calling this Senator’s office and let them know your views on this Senate Bill. Also mail them a letter or email them, disapproving this Senate Bill. Tell everyone you know to do the same. Print up some propaganda on this Senate Bill (1221) and post and pass out fliers at all your local feed stores, gun stores, or anywhere they will allow you to spread the word of this bill. It’s clear they are using other states as an example to stop our right to hunt our dogs in California. They clearly point out all the other states that have already lost their right to use hounds to pursue bears or bobcats. It will be your state next. United we stand divided we fall! It’s time to rally up the troops and win this one for the people that still enjoy a free America!
I will leave it at this, If Senator T. Lieu and HSUS and all other likeminded animal right groups have their way, come January 1, 2013 it will be a crime to pursue Bear and Bobcat in the state of California. The reason I’m ending with this sad note is to hopefully light a fire under your feet and get out there and SAVE OUR RIGHT TO USE HOUNDS IN CALIFORNIA! This is as serious as it gets. Let’s get to work.
Remember hound hunters, Power is in Numbers! Join your state club, stay active and register to vote. It’s believed that California has thousands of hound hunters and its important each one is or becomes a member of CHC. This battle is going to take some serious leg work from everyone. Joining CHC isn’t going to be enough, but will help. Take notes on the Senators (the ones trying to stop our lifestyles) and vote them out of power. All hound hunters, family members, friends, (non hound hunters that got the pleasure of harvesting a bear or bobcat with the aid of hounds), co-workers, neighbors etc. We need to start educating the public on the HSUS and all anti-freedom groups (animal rights groups). I call them anti freedom groups because they won’t stop until everyone of us is out of the woods and holding each other’s hands singing kumbaya!
It’s time to teach the general public about Facts! Facts are if this bill passes it will end up costing the tax payers of the already broke California millions of lost dollars in lost revenue. I know for a fact that if I can’t run a bear with hounds, I would NEVER buy another bear tag in California.
Let’s educate the unaware citizens of California about the lies these animal rights groups are spreading about hound hunting. Don’t just use the old saying, “it’s our heritage” (even know it is) to hunt with hounds. Let’s use facts. The public needs to know that someone is going to have to manage California’s exploding Bear population whether it’s through outdoor enthusiast like hound hunters, or paid by the tax payers out of the general fund hired hound hunters to do the job (USDA). Fact is wildlife has to be managed.
Remind the deer hunters in your area just how this bill will affect the fawn survival rate. Bears and Bobcats love nothing more than eating every young fawn they can catch. When a bear comes out of hibernation the spring fawns are easy meals. Fawns are still wobbly on their legs and the bears will, and do, run them down and eat them on a regular basis. Just look what kind of toll that Prop 117 (the ban on Mountain Lion Hunting) had on the California deer, and then top that off the passing of Prop 4 (the ban on steel traps). The ban on trapping basically stopped almost all Predator Control work in California with the exception of hound hunters and USDA & ADC hired trappers. Banning Sport Trapping just caused the Coyote population to explode and drop the California Deer herds to an all time low. Banning the use of hound hunting for bears and bobcats would basically just wipeout the California Deer herd’s altogether. Think of the millions of dollars in levy work alone, that the California tax payers has had to pay out, because of banning trapping, forcing sport trappers to only wire cages and not allowing them the appropriate tools necessary to correctly do the job properly. Unable to manage the Beaver and other water creatures has cost tax payers millions. All this wasted money going out to pay for services, that the residents of California should be entitled to do anyhow. The State of California could make millions of dollars in revenue annually just allowing California citizens their freedom back. Think of all the lost revenue to the California rural area businesses. I know I spend thousands of dollars a year on just gasoline alone to hunt my hounds. This isn’t counting all the gear, food, dog food, vet bills, truck repairs etc. etc. Remind the bird hunters in your area just how much bobcats love eating turkeys, chucker, and quail and without management it will affect their hatch rate every year. These aren’t theories, these are facts. Unmanaged wildlife falls subject to disease and forces bears into housing areas looking for food.
Senate Bill (1221) was generated and expedited out of the hatred that Senator T. Lieu and the HSUS has toward Commission Dan Richards because of his out of state legally harvested Mountain Lion hunt. This bill was written out of emotional reactions and emotional reactions are normally not responsible actions. These Animal Rights activists are reacting emotionally without a real understanding, because of their lack of real hands on knowledge. Most of their beliefs are based on emotional ideological theories with no experience to back their theories.
Here are some ideas for some of the houndmen and houndwomen that don’t know where to start with helping out. Start by calling this Senator’s office and let them know your views on this Senate Bill. Also mail them a letter or email them, disapproving this Senate Bill. Tell everyone you know to do the same. Print up some propaganda on this Senate Bill (1221) and post and pass out fliers at all your local feed stores, gun stores, or anywhere they will allow you to spread the word of this bill. It’s clear they are using other states as an example to stop our right to hunt our dogs in California. They clearly point out all the other states that have already lost their right to use hounds to pursue bears or bobcats. It will be your state next. United we stand divided we fall! It’s time to rally up the troops and win this one for the people that still enjoy a free America!
I will leave it at this, If Senator T. Lieu and HSUS and all other likeminded animal right groups have their way, come January 1, 2013 it will be a crime to pursue Bear and Bobcat in the state of California. The reason I’m ending with this sad note is to hopefully light a fire under your feet and get out there and SAVE OUR RIGHT TO USE HOUNDS IN CALIFORNIA! This is as serious as it gets. Let’s get to work.
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Re: BILL INTRODUCED TO BAN PURSUIT OF BEAR AND BOBCAT IN CA
CRA,
Who are you? What you have written above is one of the best and most inspiring things that i have ever read on this web sight. I actually read it twice and you bring up a lot of the great points that is going to appeal to the general public about why we need to keep our hound hunting rights here in California.
You have lit a bigger fire in me and given me more ideas about how to fight this. Thank you.
I do have a question that hopefully someone can answer. How does a citizen like myself find out how much money is being shelled out to controll depredation Mt. Lions in this state since prop. 117?
Also i seen something mentioned about how i believe Idaho is proposing a bill to protect their hunting rights. Can we do something like this as a counter proposal where this issue of losing our hound hunting rights can never be brought up again?
Who are you? What you have written above is one of the best and most inspiring things that i have ever read on this web sight. I actually read it twice and you bring up a lot of the great points that is going to appeal to the general public about why we need to keep our hound hunting rights here in California.
You have lit a bigger fire in me and given me more ideas about how to fight this. Thank you.
I do have a question that hopefully someone can answer. How does a citizen like myself find out how much money is being shelled out to controll depredation Mt. Lions in this state since prop. 117?
Also i seen something mentioned about how i believe Idaho is proposing a bill to protect their hunting rights. Can we do something like this as a counter proposal where this issue of losing our hound hunting rights can never be brought up again?
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Re: BILL INTRODUCED TO BAN PURSUIT OF BEAR AND BOBCAT IN CA
Let us know how to help. I fought prop 117 pretty hard years ago. Did not like losing our right to hunt mountain lions in CA.
http://www.californiapredatorsclub.com/ ... =26181&hl=
http://www.californiapredatorsclub.com/ ... =26181&hl=
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Just a couple more thoughts on the matter. Its funny how a Senator from L.A. is willing to introduce legislation that has no bearing on his district at all, especially when his district is one of the most crime ridden in the state. Also, I hope that C.H.C. or someone gets in touch with Ducks Unlimited and lets us know where they stand, hopefully on our side as the propaganda machine is saying that even duck hunters are against hounds. Finally, the timber companies on the northcoast (Green Diamond, Humboldt Redwoods and to a lesser extent Sierra Pacific) need to be contacted for their support as they are saved millons of dollars by houndsmen work. My personal thanks to all you out of state guys for your support.
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Might be a good idea get the cattlemans association, almond growers, sheep hearders...... involved also. just a matter of time till we have the same problem with wolves as other states. As i see it this will only open the door to that issue if they are allowed to get this bill passed.
just my .02 cents
just my .02 cents
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CHC is deligently working on partnerships and networking; we will have more information for all our members and supporters. For the meantime, please spread the word and try and attend the Red Bluff Dinner April 7th we have a few speakers scheduled and we will address Senate Bill 1221.
I will contact several conservation groups and request support and inform them of the impact and deception that HSUS is trying to blindside politicians and californians with their ongoing lies...
There is also a active group called HumaneWatch and they love to take on HSUS.. perhaps we can join their website and offer them some support... They can be found at:
http://humanewatch.org/
Thank you,
I will contact several conservation groups and request support and inform them of the impact and deception that HSUS is trying to blindside politicians and californians with their ongoing lies...
There is also a active group called HumaneWatch and they love to take on HSUS.. perhaps we can join their website and offer them some support... They can be found at:
http://humanewatch.org/
Thank you,
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From our Friends at U.S. Sportsmen's Alliance, Please read for those that our not aware of this organization...
Bill to Ban Hunting Introduced in California
Fresh off their failed attempt to play politics with the California Fish and Game Commission, the Humane Society of the United States (HSUS) has now teamed up with California State Senator Ted Lieu (D-Redondo Beach) to target the states bear and bobcat hunters.
Senate Bill 1221, introduced by Senator Lieu, originally dealt with air pollution. Instead, the senator is proposing an amendment to ban hound hunting for bears and bobcats at the behest of the nation’s largest animal rights organization, HSUS. The bill will likely be referred to the Senate Natural Resources Committee next week where it will be heard possibly as soon as April 10th.
In addition to an attack on hunters, the bill is also an attack on public safety as California black bear numbers have more than doubled over the past 30 years. Coupled with California’s dramatic increases in population and urbanization, it is increasingly important that state wildlife officials have every tool necessary to control populations. Hunting with hounds is an accepted, effective, challenging and humane method of hunting. Twenty-nine states have a huntable population of black bears, 17 of which permit hunting with hounds.
“Anti-hunters have tried several times to ban hunting with dogs in California, but all hunters realize this is all part of their agenda to ban hunting one step at a time,” said Evan Heusinkveld, USSA director of state services. “That’s why it is so important that all California hunters contact their state senator to oppose SB 1221.”
USSA is working with the Masters of Foxhounds Association, California Houndsmen for Conservation, the California Outdoor Heritage Alliance, and others to defeat SB 1221.
Take Action! California sportsmen must speak out today and prevent anti-hunters from driving this debate. Call your state senator and tell them to oppose SB 1221. To find your senators contact information, visit the USSA Legislative Action Center at www.ussportsmen.org/lac.
U.S. Sportsmen's Alliance
801 Kingsmill Parkway
Columbus, Ohio 43229
614-888-4868
www.ussportsmen.org
info@ussportsmen.org
Thanks Again,
Bill to Ban Hunting Introduced in California
Fresh off their failed attempt to play politics with the California Fish and Game Commission, the Humane Society of the United States (HSUS) has now teamed up with California State Senator Ted Lieu (D-Redondo Beach) to target the states bear and bobcat hunters.
Senate Bill 1221, introduced by Senator Lieu, originally dealt with air pollution. Instead, the senator is proposing an amendment to ban hound hunting for bears and bobcats at the behest of the nation’s largest animal rights organization, HSUS. The bill will likely be referred to the Senate Natural Resources Committee next week where it will be heard possibly as soon as April 10th.
In addition to an attack on hunters, the bill is also an attack on public safety as California black bear numbers have more than doubled over the past 30 years. Coupled with California’s dramatic increases in population and urbanization, it is increasingly important that state wildlife officials have every tool necessary to control populations. Hunting with hounds is an accepted, effective, challenging and humane method of hunting. Twenty-nine states have a huntable population of black bears, 17 of which permit hunting with hounds.
“Anti-hunters have tried several times to ban hunting with dogs in California, but all hunters realize this is all part of their agenda to ban hunting one step at a time,” said Evan Heusinkveld, USSA director of state services. “That’s why it is so important that all California hunters contact their state senator to oppose SB 1221.”
USSA is working with the Masters of Foxhounds Association, California Houndsmen for Conservation, the California Outdoor Heritage Alliance, and others to defeat SB 1221.
Take Action! California sportsmen must speak out today and prevent anti-hunters from driving this debate. Call your state senator and tell them to oppose SB 1221. To find your senators contact information, visit the USSA Legislative Action Center at www.ussportsmen.org/lac.
U.S. Sportsmen's Alliance
801 Kingsmill Parkway
Columbus, Ohio 43229
614-888-4868
www.ussportsmen.org
info@ussportsmen.org
Thanks Again,
"Semper Fidelis"
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You can now locate your California State Senator and Assembly Member using this service.
http://192.234.213.69/smapsearch/framepage.asp
http://192.234.213.69/smapsearch/framepage.asp
"Semper Fidelis"
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Thank you Rifleman and Yeager for your posting, I also got the E-mail from Irv, I have passed on the word to all I know that do not have a computer, but for every houndsmen that has one and use's it there are 2 that don't, is there any way we can get a phone tree or something like this to notify as many as we can? I know this has been brought up by Jim Eptin on a few occations at the CHC meetings and is something we have used in the past. Not everbody lives in the 21's century.
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just a suggestion get some one from the chc to contact the folks at humanewatch.org they have the funds and know how to help do battle with the hsus . and everyone on here needs to check out their website and sign up for their facebook feeds and share them to all your friends so that they can share with their friends ect. ect. making the public knowledgable about what the hsus is really about will help tenfold in stopping alot of people donateing money to them and that is where we defeat them ,in the wallet . good luck in the fight god knows just about all the crazy laws originate in california . and with all the califas moving to texas well nough said .
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I was able to do a quick search and locate the Senator for my district. I was then directed to her Email address. then i sent her a email urging her to vote against this bill. it was easier to do then i expected. Does anyone have a draft of what should be stated in a letter to the senators? And who else should i be emailing?
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I'm in. "They can keep me and my black and tans out of the woods when they pry the leashes from my cold, dead hands." -Pete
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"We must indeed all hang together, or, most assuredly, we shall all hang separately" -Benjamin Franklin replying to John Hancock's remark that the revolutionaries should be unanimous in their action. July 4, 1776 at the signing of the Declaration of Independence
"We must indeed all hang together, or, most assuredly, we shall all hang separately" -Benjamin Franklin replying to John Hancock's remark that the revolutionaries should be unanimous in their action. July 4, 1776 at the signing of the Declaration of Independence
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I'm wih you on that one Pete!
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If there's something an out of stater can do that will do some good let me know. Like it was said before, it wouldn't stop in Cali....
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What can we outta state guys do other then send money an emails?
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