Guide in Idaho, Units 32/ 32a proposal?

[hyde]

Hey hunters here in Idaho, this is going to reqiure a quick response from everyone. There is a guide that has submitted two applicatinos: one, to add state and private lands for bear, lion wolf and bobcats in units 32 A, and another for adjoining lands administered by the USFS and BLM for the same activities. He has asked to take 4 Bear, and 4 mountain lions in these areas.

First this was proposed years ago and was denied. These units are heavily hunted, and VERY accessible to any hunter. There is not a need for a guide in these units.

Next, having a guide in these units will do nothing but create confrontation among other hunters. The Bear tags in this unit are Draw tags. I ask my fellow hunters this question, Do you want to have to draw your tags against a Guide that is making a profit off of your chance to get a bear? I want to remind you all that this area is so simple to hunt.

The most important part of this is that the dead line to respond is APRIL 25. Please write Emmett Ranger District,1805 Highway 16, Room 5, Emmett Id 83617, Attn: Linda Bryant, And please call Bryant at (208) 365-7000.

[beardogger]

I am on it I will call tommorrow morning for sure and will also inform some of my houndsmen friends that dont have computer access. I also agree that this area is easy to hunt with lots of good access. I believe that the IHA should also voice their opinion on this to as a large majority voice so what do ya think Tim

thanks for the information
marc

[mixed bunch]

Thanks Travis for staying on top of this issue the past couple of years. with out you informing me i would not of known. All it only takes a few minutes to call Linda and voice your concern and well worth it. We have enough traffic in this area during the treeing season we dont need to compete with an outfitter. please take the time to call the number that has been provided.

[Trueblue]

Who is the Guide ?

[T.Hunt]

I will make some phone calls today to ensure all the members of the IHA are aware of this. I have an Idea which outfitter this is, and if I am correct there will be no conservation efforts what so ever. Sows and juviniles are just money to this guy. There is no need for outfitters in this area, they can stick to the back country as far as I am concerned. Tim.

[T.Hunt]

I talked to Linda, and it is not the outfitter I was thinking. I dont know what this outfitters ethics are. I still do not support this, and I dont feel this area can sustain any more killing than what is already going on. The lion population is already struggling in this area, and the bears are on a gradual decline as well. Tim.

[mixed bunch]

Chris Korell is the outfitter. Talked to Linda and a phone call will not work a letter needs to be sent in so it can be passed onto the Ranger to make a decision.

[beardogger]

I figured it was Chris and Tim is right there ain't many lions in that area and a buddy had a fall tag and was hard to find any bears not sure if wolf population contributes to lack of bears but definantly not as many as 5 yrs ago

[hyde]

Thank you guys for making a stand on this issue. I want to make one thing clear, and that is this is not an intent to bash outfitters, or insult anyone. This is an issue that I, and obviously others are strongly against. Please remember that being polite, and showing good ethics will get us farther than emotional anger. Don't forget, as was mentioned on here by another, that a phone call is NOT solid. Hurry and write your letter! I was told yesterday that this is a losing battle, and that I am wasting my time. I looked at my 11 year old son last night and chose not to believe that. By the way, he is writing his own letter, which makes me proud to see he wants to conserve the sport he loves.

[beardogger]

I am going to write my letter in the mornin and am kind of redneck so would like to get some good examples of what everyones letters say. I want to convey the correct message
Thanks in advance
Marc

[Dennis Fisher]

Good words!!! Good impute!!!

I am a little confused about what, if any, jurisdiction the Forest Service (a Federal Agency) has on what and who hunts what and how anywhere in Idaho. This is the role of the State Agencies like the Idaho Outfitter and Guides Board and the Idaho Fish and Game. But please don't let this ??? stop anyone from writing a letter or two, to any agency, to stop this. Be exact, please send one to those State Agencies mentioned too.

Next, if anyone cares, the last outfitter that was in that area was there in 1976 or 77. I bought his last three dogs. It was just a couple of years after the first tracking collars appeared and this was when the Bear Study Area started in the Little Weiser and Middle Fork drainage's. The other Outfitter mentioned applied for private ground only. That included Timber Company owned ground too. It was at the start of the Bear Initiative. That would of made it in either 94 or 95. There was a huge meeting in Weiser. If I remember correctly, it was conducted with both the F&G and the Guides Board. Every Sporting Group on this side of the State was there to oppose it, including the IHA.

There are many Outfitters in this State that have made, and are making, a good income off their areas and are some of the best Stewards of our States Natural Resources there are. Then there are those that reap the profits from a area and have to move to another to maintain that kind of profit and hunting style. Don't think for a second I'm condemning Outfitters. They have a excuse of trying to make a living. But we all know that there are Sport Hunters, or groups of them, that do the exact same thing. The difference is a Sport Hunter has no excuse, in my eyes, to reap a area of animals we all have a right to enjoy and must have to maintain our dogs from a area or drainage then move to the next. But we can control by law and procedure who profits off the animals and resources of our State. I don't care what you call yourself, if you kill females and young, and can't go back to that same area year after year because of what you have been part of, you don't deserve to be called a Outfitter or a Sport Hunter. Be exact, being called a Houndsman would be pushing it to the max. JMO

This guy already has what was once two, if not three different Outfitter Areas. He already has most of two of the biggest Units in this part of the State, 34 and 39. If he now needs to go to another Unit(s) to fulfill his clients needs, that speaks for itself to me. In my opinion, let him first learn how to manage our States Natural Resources in his area that once made a good profit for two, if not three, other Outfitters before him before he is EVER allowed to go to another area. The Bear Study Area (Units) are already a controlled hunt on everything but Lion. I see absolutely no reason, or way, I'm gonna stand by and watch while one person makes a profit year after year off of the animals I want to hunt but can't draw a tag because of this.

[brushcreek]

Wow you guys sound like you need a guide. Chris knows hunting and ethics. He also knows how many bears and lions are actually in those mountains. If you guys think he will hurt your hunting efforts than maybe you need to choose a different past time activity or volunteer at the local animal shelters.

[brushcreek]

Oh and if you want to know the size and areas of Chris's hunting outfit go to ioga and go to the link for outfitters and guides licensing board. I know Chris doesn't operate in most of unit 39. Allred and Youren's have some sections of that unit. If you want to throw out facts than back them up.

[cobalt]

For me if it gets approval it means the odds of getting that tag goes down and it's hard enough to get in the first place.

[Dennis Fisher]

Mr. Brush Cr., your right, actions speak for themselves. That's what I tried to point out. We all are "judged" by what we do and the results that follow. Ever one on this site that has hunted this country know what was and what is.

And by the way, I have no problem backing my words one tiny bit. I was one of them that stood in front of over 500 individual representing every hunting group in SW Idaho opposing a guide in these areas back in 94 or 95. See you on the podium or in the F&G or Outfitter and Guides board room when this is brought before them. That's where one's "words" really count. Until then, have a great day and good hunting.